Thank you for pointing that out. People harp on stats as if that paints the only picture you need. If you saw any of the giants games, then you would know Diehl gets moved around alot on the line due to injuries. He may not be an elite tackle, but hes an elite utility linemen. Diehl did not give up a fraction of the pressure Hunter did.
The Giants deserve a ton of credit for their run to the SB, but they were extremely fortunate that Dallas just shot themselves in the foot time and again, because they really shouldn't have even gotten into the playoffs.
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The way he is playing right now, Wayne Hunter is the worst starting RT in the NFL. Mark hasn't been playing that badly, true that they haven't scored a TD yet but who has he been passing to? People are definitely worrying too much about the the season right now, but Wayne Hunter is pretty clearly the biggest problem. On the bright side, Quinton Coples looks like a stud.
oh boy now we are posting OL stats. what's next? The Giants Ol was vastly superior to ours a year ago, it's not even worth discussing.
How was it 'vastly' superior? They had two guys (McKenzie and Diehl) who statistically were worse than Hunter was last season. The fact is that on paper the Giants have an o-line that is just about average but is amplified greatly by the presence of an elite QB. The Jets have the former but not the latter. There's your x-factor.
Last game made it obvious that it was WH and not Sanchez. Sanchez was the 5th most sacked QB in the league last year. Not sure where you get that the total sacks was slightly above average.
watch the games, those stats have no idea the offensive scheme and whose fault it really was for pressure. Eli wasn't running for his life every week and he had MUCH better WRs to throw to, guys taking 5 yd passes and going 50,60,70,80,99 yds!
Eli wasnt an Elite QB up until last year. He gets VERY lucky. Just look at his throw vs us Sunday where Landry intercepted that... I can not count how many times Ive seen Eli do that. Last year, those throws were completed with a lot of help from luck. The years before, they were intercepted. Eli is a very good QB, yes, but then again he is in his 8th year. You obviously fail to see that and are very shortsighted. Another huge “x-factor” is two guys names Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks. The former, a WR who can get separation on about an CB and made countless tremendous catches last year, and the later, and elite talent at WR that is great not only from 20 to 20, but also in the redzone. Eli has two #1 WR’s. Mark Sanchez has 0. You look at all these “elite” QBs, and they have countless weapons that the team has provided for them, Sanchez and the Jets can not say the same. Rodgers- Nelson, Jennings, Cobb, Driver, Jones, Finley Brady- Lloyd, Welker, Branch, Gronk, Hernandez Brees- Grahame, Sproles, Ingram, Colston Stafford- CJ, Young, Burleson, Pettigrew Ryan- Julio, Roddy, Gonzalez Eli- Cruz, Nicks, Bradshaw (added Randle and Wilson in draft in round 1 and 2)
Dude, I've seen every game played last season by both teams and I don't think you could be more wrong. The Giants' OL was consistently awful and wasn't healthy for most of the year. Eli was moving constantly and under duress frequently. He had better WRs to throw to and better coaching to help gameplan, but he did NOT have a better OL by any stretch.
The Landry pick was awful, but please don't act like Eli went through an entire season chucking the ball deep and hoping for the best. The odds of that actually working are astronomical. He's an aggressive QB and he took a lot of shots down field. As for his WRs, one was drafted to be a #1 (good move passing on Kenny Britt) and the other was a camp body until last season. Eli made Victor Cruz, not the other way around.
I watched pretty much every game too and your OL looked like the '09 Jets OL compared to what he had.
Then why was the Giants' running game the worst in the league and why was Eli pressured more consistently than any other QB in the game?
The number of total sacks the Jets gave up (40) was only slightly above league avg (37) .Many teams with more sacks allowed than the Jets ended up playing more than one quarterback. (Cards, Rams, Jags, Bears, Broncos etc).
yeah the run game problems had nothing to do w/ Bradhsaw being hurt and an ineffective for years Brandon jacobs. I didn't say your OL was great but it wasn't our OL
Apparently Hunter is losing reps to this guy Howard who seems to be impressing. At 333 lbs. this could be the new right side road grader.
Being ranked 32nd in the league didn't happen just because the RBs weren't ideal; it was a group effort made possible by OL injuries and bad play. The Jets' OL wasn't great or even good last year, but they were easily better than the Giants' OL.
If Tebow isn't playing traditional QB at all and the offense is as committed to ground and pound as they say they are, all you really need there is a strong run-blocker with at least adequate pass blocking skills.
I'm not sure Jacobs was healthy and Bradshaw was defiitely hurting, that meant more to your lack of run game than anything else. Bradshaw was healtrhier in postseason and averaged 4.2 YPC(up from 3.8 in reg season). There is no doubt in my mind your Ol was better than ours at least as far as pass blocking. early in the year we couldn't pass or run block, they improved as Mangold got healthier but the pass blocking still wasn't great. neither line was very good but I believe yours was better.
