Quote: "...If Gholston turns out to be a great linebacker and McFadden turns out to be a great RB, I'd rather have the linebacker...." I wonder about a football player's fire in the belly, sometimes. Does great success in college necessarily translate to great success in the pros? As the quality of athleticism steadily increases in the NFL, I suspect that this translation from college to the NFL does not automatically occur. If an athlete is used to winning well (notice I didn't say easily) in college, how will he take it when he gets to the NFL as a high draft pick and plays with a mediocre team that largely prevents him from showcasing his talents? This is the time for the character of the guy to show up -- he has to do something that he hasn't had to do, in a long time if ever. Start over with a bad supporting cast. What happens if the college athlete comes into the Pros with a lot of doubts being expressed about "how good was he really anyway -- workout wonder? Flash in the pan? -- who did he really play? And how well did he do with real competition?" What happens to that college athlete has his entire football career called into question, and he doesn't get drafted where he and a lot of other people thought he would? This is a good time for character to show up. Great early success is just as dangerous for some guys, as doubts and questions are for the "late bloomer" who is still looking for that unquestioned acceptance as being one of the best at his position. Where will McFadden come down? Where will Gholston?
i love how you can sit there and judge someone from afar about things that are really not that different from most teenagers today. really though who hasnt gotten into a fight in a night club? i know i sure have and for much less reason than someone doing something to my family. who hasnt stuck up for their family? i sure have have you? who hasnt had sex with more than 4 women? i sure have, have you? the only concern i would have is with his physical ability to pull out in time. but hey i dont think thats a major concern in the nfl, even on the bottom of the pile. there are too many people these days all across this country who have this holier than thou attitude that think that everyone has to be perfect just like themselves. hmmm whats that guys name from last week here in good old new york? yeah thats right he was one of them and just like the rest he had unrealistic levels of values that he wanted others to stand up to or be persecuted, or even prosecuted. and hmmm what was he doing behind closed doors? btw i would much rather be someone known for getting into a fight than someone known for cheating on my wife, but hey thats another rant for another day.
If the report is true that he may now only be a father with one gal (and even that paternity test may come back negative), now one just hast to factor in the night club incidents. Is it an issue? Well, I think conduct has to be factored in. If we do draft DMC, can a football team put in conduct clauses into the contract? This way at least we are somewhat protected should the guy pull a Michael Vick or Pacman - I would like to believe that McFadden would not do anything like this. I also agree that if we do draft McFadden, getting him hooked up with Curtis Martin as a mentor would be a very wise investment by the Jets.
maybe we should put in conduct clauses to your membership here at the ganggreen, hmm have you cheated on your wife in the last 20 years. have you hurt someones feeling? have you always put your kids first? have you sworn? ok then get the fawk out. and dont come back we dont want you. see how retarded that sounds? yeah it does so please stop with the retardedness of your holier than thou attitude
Why post something that is designed to annoy somebody? It just isn't right. It shows a complete lack of maturity on your part. I do not think that anything I stated calls for this response.
I'm a firm believer in the NFL scouts character measurement process. There is so much stock these days that goes into having guys w/ high character that arent gonna put the team OR the player in a bad light. Teams spend ALOT of time...and have security dept.'s that are dedicated to this process. There was plenty of info available about Pacman Jones as well as Chris Henry about their questionable behaivor...they were not present on many teams draft boards.. As for Dmac, All the experts maintain that not one team considers DMAC a character risk. I'll take their word on that. There are alot worse things in the world than having sex w/ a few too many girls and a mionor scuffle at a nightclub.
Question: You seem pro-McFadden, yet your signature would indicate a different position.......curious....why?
I'm pro "Best player available" and it is my opinion that DMAC is the best player in this draft. I'm all for addressing both lines and getting better at the point of attack..but at the same time...It's not the be all end all of football. An elite RB CAN make a difference. Hell take a look at LT his first 2-3 years in the league....that OL was ATROCIOUS...but he was so quick to the hole and so elusive that it didnt matter....he'd be 5 yards downfield w/ the ball before the defenders even knew what to do. I believe DMAC is a similar kind of talent. My signature points to my pessimist nature, in that the jets will be staring DMAC in the face and will pass in favor of an inferior prospect.
Well, Simpson was not bad his first three years. He did go to the Pro Bowl as a rookie. In his second season he only played 8 games. The team was garbage his first three years. John Rauch coached them to 4-10 and 3-10-1 records in 1969 and 1970, respectively. Harvey Johnson took over in 1971 and the Bills went 1-13. Lou Saban was hired in 1972 and the team's fortunes started to turn. Electric Company starters (nickname of Bills offensive line) Reggie McKenzie and Joe DeLamielleure were drafted in 1972 and 1973, respectively. QB Joe Ferguson was drafted in 1973. Jim Braxton was an excellent lead blocker. He was drafted in 1971 and was the regular starter in 1972. Braxton ran for 823 yards in 1975 and Simpson ran for 1817. The Jets have a good offensive line right now. McFadden would have no excuses with the Jets, unless he got injured at some point.
OK, gotcha....Yeah, if we had Gholston gone and DMac fell to us and we ended up taking Limas Sweed my liver would bleed. With our re-vamped offensive line almost any runningback has to be improved just from better offensive line play. I know outside of the off-field speculation, DMac's chicken legs are an issue and supposedly he goes down easy. If our offensive line was good enough to get him through and into the defensive backfield regularly; even if he gained a very quick 5 - 7 yards and then went down pretty easily; I could get use to that in a hurry. I think the success of a guy like McFadden is that he must have a great line. If he gets passed the line of scrimmage on a consistent basis, some percentage of those runs have got to be for long gainers. Personally, and I asked myself this the other day......what is more exciting the long bomb for a completion or the long run? I definitely have to go with the long run hands down.
Ditto, I am a huge UK/SEC football fan and watched him quite a bit. Last year he rushed for 173 yards against us. Anyone that doubts him should go back and watch the SEC championship game of 2 years ago. They almost beat the national champs Florida with 0 productivity from the QB position. The fact that they were even there should tell you something... All that being said, Felix Jones was also a big part of their success.
I found this line from the article very interesting- His position coach, Tim Horton, says 32% of McFadden's rushing yards last season (586 of 1,830) came after initial contact. So much for the "dead legs" and "goes down at contact" argument....
Marcus Allen, Eric Dickerson, and Tony Dorsett also suffered from skinny legs disease and they did alright in the NFL, I'd say.
It doesnt matter dude. He could have tree stumps for legs and b/'c he's a high profile RB and not a front 7 defender or O-linemen or a sleeper RB from a low profile school....he's got "bust" written all over him. We should draft safe pick linemen and LB's for the rest of time.:lol:
The word "bust" should not even be uttered until at least after year 3 of a player's career...But of course nowadays people throw that word around before a player even gets drafted!!! For that matter, a player better be named to the Hall of Fame after their first minicamp or they will suck forever...
The problem with picking No. 6 is that the cost of the investment doesn't necessarily have a damned thing to do with the value of who is available when your number comes up. Of course if all the "no. 6 candidates" you have graded are gone, then getting out of that pick and "trading down" isn't possible either. So the chances are better than even this year that the NYJ are going to pick somebody that is not on their "high value chart" at number 6. What is vital is that they get somebody who'll do us some good, even though we will have to overpay them badly. Most of the drafts I see today have Gholston and McF, and the Longs going before No. 6...
Blair Thomas Penn State career stats 3301 total rushing yards and 21 TDs Darren McFadden Arkansas career stats 4589 total rushing yards and 41 TDs I think it's safe to assume he won't be another Thomas.
I guess it's ok for some TGG members to post the same thing over and over - Pennington has no arm - Woody is cheap - Bradway ruined the Jets - the Jets should play a 4-3 - trade for Johnson - sign Moss - pay Coles etc. But if I express the view that I don't think the Jets should draft McFadden because: - the Jets have a good set of running backs - a pass rush is a far greater need and is of more value to an NFL team in this era - I don't value running backs as early first round picks - I just like Gholston or Harvey better and think they would be better picks for the Jets you get all bent out of shape. I have the right to my opinion. I don't like drafting RBs or WRs early in a draft. I am also tired of watching a team that can't block for the run or pass and can't stop the run or rush the passer. It's a valid opinion that does not warrant ridicule. I don't want the Jets spending millions on a poor man's Reggie Bush.
I guess I'm not the only person who puts an emphasis on a pass rush and the front seven on defense. The following came from ESPN's NFL blog today: Colts coach Tony Dungy played defensive back in the NFL, but he would put his money on pass-rushers over cornerbacks every time. "Bill [Polian] and I talk about that," Dungy said from the league meetings in West Palm Beach, Fla. "If you had that choice, you've got to go with the front people because they are harder to find and they have more of an impact on the game."
I agree with you, White Shoes. There's far too much gnashing of teeth over the skill players on this "Message Board." I'm trying to learn a lot more about the DL and the OL available in the Draft. I also got really interested in this linebacker named Marcus Howard from UGA (where I went for a spell). He's come on big time in the last six months. Just don't know how much stock I put in those Combine exercises. You have to take a look at how the Big Uglies do against real live competition, and I don't know where to go look for that very easily.
