Matt Simms - Summation

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  1. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    Why don't you understand college and nfl are different?

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  2. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    I don't think Geno or Simms ever start another NFL game after this season.
     
  3. OverloadBlitz

    OverloadBlitz Well-Known Member

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    The jury is still out on Simms, I think the prevalent question is why the fuck is David Garrard taking up a roster spot if hes not going to be the relief QB.
     
  4. vedmedv

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    So Simms should just come in cold. No snaps in practice. Against a dolphins D that played 5 minutes in the first half and light it up?

    Simms should have been the starter week 1.
    Geno would have been better for it.

    Whey we didn't sign Edwards is still a myth.
    Starting Garrard would be dumber than starting Geno. We are not going to the playoffs. Lets make sure we know the whole truth about Simms first.
     
  5. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    We've had nothing but rookies or over the hill vets at qb on this roster. Thats on the gm and coach

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  6. Noam

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    There are lots of ways to protect the QB especially a rookie QB. Simplify his pre-snap reads. Don't ask him to read the entire field. Don't treat him like a guy who has been playing 10 years and throw the entire playbook at him. Give him quick reads and quick throws. Give him checkdown options. Do not run so many plays with so few checkdowns.

    But more importantly is when you have him throw the ball and in what situations. We have become a very predictable team. Run the ball on 1st and 2nd down and throw it on 3rd and long. I like what we did much better in 09-10 where we did not throw often in passing situations and when we did it was quick reads that got the ball out quickly. Our passing game was based around surprising the defense that we were passing. We did not expose the QB to hits and mistakes. We started the year this year off letting the QB throw the ball all game long. It was effective but he was taking a beating so we changed it to only letting him throw it in passing situations mainly on 3rd and long or when hopelessly behind. This OL is not good enough to run the ball by itself or use the run to set up a passing game. We can only run it by passing effectively. To do that we need to air it out on 1st and 2nd down but not expose our QB to hits on 3rd and long.

    MM has a history of getting QBs killed. I think there is a difference between Shotty protecting a QB and limiting the offense and a guy like MM who does not care if he puts the QB in harms way. I would prefer a middle ground.

    I just do not think throwing the full playbook at a raw rookie QB is a good way to protect him or a good way to develop a young QB. Now at the end of the year we see a physically beaten QB with a mentally beaten pysche who has no confidence left to play the position. One could see this coming 6 weeks ago and now we see the little that is left of Smith. He is effectively done for the year. Hopefully he can make major strides on the mental part of the game in the offseason. It is nice we were competitive for 12 games. But overall the goal should be to develop a QB for the years to come above all else. This was the focus that got lost in effort of trying to win now.
     
  7. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Good god stop pining over fucking Braylon Edwards, he's hurt, has been cut by every team including us. Start Simms week 1? Based on what? Maybe just maybe Simms sucks? Look at his college career it's awful.
     
  8. OverloadBlitz

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    Apparently Garrard has said in an interview that he has not come here to mentor or coach and that he came here to play. Also Rex said in his postgame presser that they were thinking about activating David and even had him warming up pregame.
     
  9. pclfan

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    I would start Garrard. And whose to say if he doesn't play well he won't be back next season. He said he was looking to be a starter again in the NFL. Garrard starts and Simms is the backup. Geno is not activated. We're still trying to win games in 2013 and as far as I'm concerned not losing games to get a higher pick. How many times have teams drafted later and gotten better players. It's not worth it. A W is a W.
     
  10. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    This is an honest opinion so flame away but realize that I'm just saying what I believe.

    Wins for the Jets based on starting QB's the rest of the way:

    Geno Smith - 5 to 6.

    Matt Simms - 5 to 6.

    David Garrard - 5 to 6.

    There's nobody the Jets could put back there at this point who can handle the situation well. Geno Smith appears to have surrendered at this point. Matt Simms is nowhere near good enough to win more than a lucky game with the talent around him. David Garrard likely won't last for a half behind that offensive line let alone 4 games.

    It just is what it is. The talent deficit on offense has become a critical issue at the worst point of the season for that to occur.

    Here's why the Jets might win a game or even get very lucky and win two before the season is out.

    We've gotten to the point in the season where conditions begin to play heavily into the results. As an example the Jets beat the Steelers 6-0 in 2003 on December 14th with the only effective offense in the game being Curtis Martin's 175 yards rushing. We might get a win on a bad day courtesy of Ivory and Powell if the weather was bad.

    We might get a game where the stars aligned and all the receivers were available at the same time. I'm looking at the last week of the season in Miami here. If Holmes, Kerley, Winslow and Cumberland were all available for a game it might get the critical mass on offense up high enough to score a few TD's.

    Those are our chances to win a couple of games at this point.
     
  11. JStokes

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    Lol another apologist.

    AJ McCarron is not missing a stationary wide open WR 10 yards down the field by 10 yards. With a clean pocket.

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  12. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    No I'm just not an irrational fan calling for things that aren't going to improve anything.

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  13. OverloadBlitz

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    I love AJ McCarron, that kid is smart as hell and reads defenses like nothing, should be a first rounder easily and he ran a system very similar to Andrew Luck, not the same talent but both are high intellectuals.
     
  14. JStokes

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    So you want to build around a QB playing like crap from one of the worst QB classes in memory rather than draft a good QB from one of the best classes in memory.

    In a quarterback league.

    That's quite rational.

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    You sound irrational.

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  16. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    No your expecting a rookie to come in and win and never have an up and down year. That's not rational. Even Luck struggles. Unless youre getting a sure thing which we won't be in position to do if we fall out of the top 5, sign a vet instead of drafting a project. Thats rational

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  17. OverloadBlitz

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    Lol hes been benched for a UDFA like 4 times already Geno has a great chance of not even being on the roster next year depending on what happens over these next few games and the offseason.
     
  18. OverloadBlitz

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    I love QB's that are smart and run pro style systems in College, it translates very well to the NFL.
     
  19. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    College and pros are different. Sanchez came from a "pro style" offense. How did that translate?

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  20. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    No chance at all of this is my guess.

    He's going to be part of the competition in the off-season because we spent a 2nd round pick on him and he'll be the cheapest possible real competition for whoever is coming in to challenge for the spot.

    I could see Geno being gone after 2014 if he just didn't show enough to warrant a backup QB slot on the roster.
     

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