Just pointing out that almost all of the QB's taken in the 2nd round after 36 pick have wound up as depth players. Lots of them have been career backups with long careers in that type of role. A few of them have been like Chad Henne and Tarvaris Jackson, guys who got a good long look and from more than one team. Geno is getting the good long look from his first team now. I'm not completely down on Geno at this point. He has some potential but that and $5 will get you a latte at Starbucks and unless he begins realizing that potential soon he's going to be out a job here.
I would never pay five bucks for a cup of coffee. I would use a second round pick on a sight unseen Geno, though. I think most people would, even though now they claim otherwise.
That's why all those guys got taken where they did. Geno is actually unusual in that he was a clear 1st round candidate up to the draft. Chad Henne was sort of there and Jimmy Clausen was very much there. Not sure there have been many hotter prospects on the 39 than Geno was. In retrospect we see lots of guys taken in the 1st round who should have fallen through. Brady Quinn is an obvious example. He was dropping like a stone and then the Browns bailed him out. E.J. Manuel should have gone about where Geno did. He was a 2nd round pick that the Bills reached for. Brandon Weeden, good lord, the Browns seem to make lots of these picks. Tim Tebow...
no matter how he turns up, Smith was chosen at the right place. I can't bemoan JI for that pick, it made sense, he was the BPA when thinking without hindsight. Not a bad gamble, if you could even call it that.
joe montana, 3rd round. russell wilson, 3rd round. brett favre, 2nd round. tom brady , 6th round. tony romo, undrafted. kurt warner , undrafted. johnny unitas, undrafted. no wonder the tuna said he did not want to draft qbs in the first round.........
Personally at the time of the draft, I was pretty afraid the Jets would select Geno Smith. Obviously there was talent but it was apparent there were questions about how ready he was to play in the NFL. I remember being especially relieved that they didn't pick him at 9, and then I remember how he reacted when he wasn't taken in the first which was kind of immature. I was mildly surprised they took him at 39, and kind of irritated but even at the time I couldn't disagree that there was value in the pick. With Sanchez still on the roster you didn't have to force him to start immediately, unfortunately he got hurt. Unless you're dead sure on a QB it's better not to draft them in the top of the 1st round. The truth is after the Sanchez 2012 season we had to bring in a QB, and the draft was pretty much the only option we had. Sanchez was uncuttable that offseason, and we were so tight on the cap that signing a legitimate veteran wasn't really an option. We should be glad we didn't sink a first round pick into EJ Manuel or Geno Smith, and not taking Smith at 39 meant we'd have to hope Mike Glennon would be available with our 72nd pick, and risk bringing in no legitimate QB if he was gone. Glennon ended up going 73rd, but easily could have been taken a few spots ahead.
Great post. However, when the Jets signed Vick, it looked like we were trying to reassemble the dream team and that is rather troubling. Call Vick Idzik's signing but I don't think that Idzik goes after him without a push from MM.
Vick had his less than stellar moments, but he actually played pretty well that year. The defense was terrible though, and part of the reason the offense takes slack is because Vince Yuong was the one who said it, but when stepping in for the injured Vick he was atrocious.
Well my point was not whether or not Vick played well but what was so memorable about the dream team season that one should want to reassemble it because team barely finished .500 (regardless of how well Vick played). However, after looking at the Eagles 2011 season, they put up some big numbers so I'm reconsidering my opinion. Regardless of whether or not the dream team is MM's goal, I don't think that Vick is a good fit. He's an aged scrambler who was not a great passer and the thought of needing an insurance policy for Geno is silly.
I don't think adding 1 player out of the entire 2011 Philadelphia roster is an indication Mornhinweg has any desire to reassemble the 'Dream Team'. Just saying.
I agree with this. The Jets have given Geno 23 starts and more than 700 reps in game situations at this point. He's pretty much proven that he can't handle a starting job but he'll get some more chances this year. You never know, maybe whatever the mental blocks have been will go away as the reality of his situation sets in. He began to really blow chunks last year after the mauling in Cincinnati. The Jets dumbed everything down and put him in a box and he was just terrible after that for a month. Then he had the kind of revival that Sanchez had in '09 when he figured out that all he had to do was not throw the game away and the Jets had chances to win. If he's going to save his job at this point he can't do it by game-managing. He's going to have to give the Jets real evidence that he can be a good QB or they'll move on as soon as they can. Following Mark Sanchez is a curse for Geno. Nobody is interested in giving him an endless opportunity to prove himself at this point.
its gonna take A LOT from geno for the jets to avoid QB purgatory come season's end. hopefully a cleaner pocket courtesy of Aboushi and more open receivers and running options courtesy of Percy Harvin give him what he needs to play well. More importantly, hopefully the offense as whole plays well enough under Smith that the proliferation of offensive weapons and an improved O-line take precedent over replacing the signal caller. one concern I have in regards to team building is that we might draft a potential blue chip QB before a potential blue chip O-lineman. So we'll leave our developing franchise QB without a solid line for essentially two years. this instead of drafting an O tackle, letting him get his bearings and then leaving our QB (smith or otherwise) with a more game ready tackle on his blind side. the former might just stall team progress, the latter would at least put the next qb in decent position to succeed, so with that in mind all I want is for Smith to be given at least another year, (and for marvin to look great) because I want to go O-line in the first, rather than screw ANOTHER QB's development.
Geno also hasn't given fans a lot of reason to be patient. He doesn't portray himself as the most likable guy ever, starting with the hissy fit he had after he wasn't selected in the first round of the draft.
The Jets have to get into the end zone on a regular basis. That's the only thing that is going to matter by the end of the year. They can move the ball up and down the field, which they've actually been doing at an almost acceptable rate, and if they can't finish for 7 about twice as often as they are now it won't matter. The QB's job is to get 7 points three or four times a game. If the team is settling for 2 TD's and 2 FG's the job is not getting done and that's a generous assessment of what the Jets are settling for this year so far.
Geno could have been on it like Axel Foley and he still wouldn't have bought any time. The personality issues are way overblown. The on-field issues are not.
I agree they're overblown, but they aren't helpful. I agree with letting him start the rest of the season but I'm already good with moving on from him.
Well that's not my only reason for thinking that. However, it seems like the only reasonable explanation for signing Vick. I doubt that he was acquired as insurance in case Geno gets hurt.
