Mark Sanchez...

Stafford is a middle of the pack QB with the best WR in the game saving him from complete mediocrity. Dude has 33 TD's and 14 of them are to Calvin Johnson. Take CJ away you can't tell me this guy is looked at as a good QB. I guarantee if you replace Sanchez with Stafford, not only will he do worse, he'd have already suffered a season ending injury playing behind this terrible offensive line. Dude has more INTs than Sanchez playing with better weapons across the board. Sanchez is at 28/13 with average weapons, and Stafford to at 33/14 with Megatron and 2 other receivers doing better than our #1.

Put CJ on this team and watch the numbers Sanchez puts up. 3 of Detroit's receivers are better than our #1 guy. Stafford has weapons, Sanchez doesn't. You shouldn't expect Sanchez to put up great numbers with such average to below average weapons.

I always rolled my eyes at people saying Sanchez came into a better situation. I told people that in a couple years, Stafford will have a top 3 WR in the game. That's more than 30 of the 32 teams can say.

I think it's laughable that you think anyone short of Tom Brady, Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Vick, or Aaron Rodgers can salvage this offense. They are the only QBs in the league that can make chocolate cake out of monkey feces.

 

Dude, you can't possibly think Burleson and Young are better than Holmes.

 

Great post.

The problem with the bashers they only look at the result of the play not the execution. If the play works its a great call if not its terrible. If Shot calls run they will say he should pass. If he passes they say he should have run. it does not matter what he call is because they know better.

They never take into account that he is trying to set up plays later in the game, that he has to run different plays out of formations to break tendencies and keep defenses guessing and that the number one priority of the Jets offense is to keep Sackchez from making a big mistake. That means protecting him in passing situations with max protect sets, draws and screens, and 1-3 step drops.

Shotty gets criticized for running no back field sets. Even though the Jets have had great success in that formation. Look at Sackchez's QB rating with no one in the backfield. It is very high. What he does out of this formation are two things. He simplify the reads for Sackchez who has a very difficult time reading defenses and seeing whats going on the field. Notice Sackchez will almost never look at more than 1/3 of the field during a play. Which makes it even more important he makes the correct read pre-snap. No backfield allows him to pick his target faster and safer. Second when the Jets run no backfield its almost always a 1 or 2 step drop. Designed to get the ball out quickly and not expose Sanchez to mistakes or hits. The problem comes in when Sackchez gets confused and holds the ball and then takes the hit. When his 1st read is not there or the pocket breaks down Sackchez is at his worst and usually panics either taking a needless sack or running into a sack. It was refreshing to see Sackchez actually step up in the pocket and avoid a couple of sacks last week he would normally have taken. Sackchez is the reason why he leads in the league in sacks taken despite the focus of the offensive design being to limit his exposure to sacks and getting hit.

The problem with the Jets offense is not the play calling its almost always the execution along with sackchez's limitations. The Jets offense is limited because of Sackchez. Sackchez is only successful when he is not rushed and his receivers are wide open. Which is why he does better in play action and against vanilla defense in the 2 minute drill. When he has to play out of the pocket his flaws are exposed. Put him in a normal offense where he has to play out of the pocket all game like a NFL QB and it would be a disaster. The Jets do everything they can to limit Sackchez's pocket exposure. That is how the offense is designed. Basically its set up to not let Sackhez beat us. It has worked.

A more legitimate criticism of Shotty might be the lack of development of Sackchez. His lack of understanding of defense, his failure under pressure, his failure to see more than 1/3 of the field, his telegraphing passes, forcing balls, taking unneeded sacks, his "deer in the headlights" pose, his feeezing and panicing under rush, his inability to understand or read defenses, his poor ball mechanics holding the ball out, his inability to throw a touch pass or change speeds unless its a designed fade, his poor footwork bouncing in the pocket or his slow release. These are certainly legitimate areas to criticize Shotty. We have heard so many times from the CS and from Sackchez that he now really understands the playbook and defenses. it seems to be a common theme, But every time he is given more responsibility like making audibles, setting pass protection, expanding the offense, giving him more responsibility, placing more of the game on his shoulders, or becoming more of a passing team it has to be withdrawn quickly. The Jets placed a large emphasis last week in practice of having Sackchez step up in the pocket under a rush rather than his normal nervousfoot shuffle while doing his best "statue of liberty" pose waiting to get hit with the ball extended from his body. It worked and he avoided two sacks he would almost always take. So I think its fair to say the problem is with Sackchez but criticizing Shotty for Sackchez's lack of development is certainly a much more legitimate argument than the one we see about the playcalls. He has been given many opportunities and he simply cannot get it done.

 

I think its time to put to rest that only one side of the ball got us somewhere. Last year we would not have made the playoffs if Sanchez didn't lead 4-5 game winning drives. We also would not have made it if the defense didn't shut the down the pats(week2), steelers, and etc.


If we look just at AFC championship games, the defense let us down. But the defense held up against the Chargers, Colts, Pats by keeping the game close and letting Mark Sanchez lead the offense.

 

I don't think there's any doubt Sanchez came into a better situation than Stafford.

One elite WR doesn't make up for an inconsistent OL, a shoddy WR core/running game and an incompetent defense.

The problem is that the OL, defense and skill positions have regressed for the Jets.

 

I have lots of problems with what you said. Most people aren't going to take your posts seriously if you thought of the clever (sarcasm) name of "Sackchez."
Sanchez's QB rating might be higher in shotgun also because we run that often in 2 minute drill where he succeeds and where teams play not to give up a big play leaving the underneath open. Also, going shotgun leaves Hunter usually on his own and no threat of a run play. This lets above average pass rushers have a field day on Hunter and give Sanchez no room to step up or little to no time to throw.
You cannot criticize Sanchez for taking sacks without mentioning the O line once. Sanchez has been sacked more this season than his last two seasons combined. Are you saying all of sudden he takes sacks? Or maybe other factors (lack or run game, O line, and Mangold/Turner's injury) influenced this?

I think Sanchez looks best not on quick throws, but on throws whens hes moving (the play breaks down), when he can step and plant,when we dont have him dropping two steps and throwing quick, and playaction which usually includes everything before. It seems like on a lot of plays Sanchez is throwing without setting his feet or stepping up, and I do not know if it is to blame the o line, sanchez, or coaching.

 

I agree with you that he looks better on the move. If you watch him in the pocket he is very uncomfortable and awkward. He looks like he desperately needs to find a restroom. But notice on the rare occasions where he escapes the pocket he looks like a different player. He suddenly becomes more fluid and more instinctive. I think its mental. He plays scared all the time and simply does not understand whats going on. He does not see the field, understand the offense or what the defense is doing. The game is simply to fast for him and he is in a constant state of panic. When he runs and gets out then he is just playing streetball and he becomes a much better player.

In regards to him taking more sacks this year he is playing from behind more and being forced to pass more. Not to mention teams are like sharks they see a weakness and go after it. Also look at or schedule, we have played some strong defenses with very good pass rushes this year. Until Sanchez can break the "soft,"scared and panic labels he will be rushed unmercifully in passing situations. Until he can learn to read blitzes and make defenses pay he will be blitzed unmercifully.

Oh in regards to Sackchez your right about it diluting my point but the name is so so appropriate. He takes more needless sacks than any QB since Rob Johnson. The maddening thing is the offense is designed to have him not take sacks. For him to throw it quickly, check it down or throw it away before he can be pressured. Its more a sarcastic response to the hysterical posts by the Sanchez apologists who live in quite a special world. Sackchez may not be the most diplomatic name but it is likely a better name than Suckchez which is also arguably appropriate.

 

Sure, without the defense the Jets wouldn't have made the playoffs (at least, definitely in 2009). But, I was responding to a poster who said that Sanchez was incapable of getting the Jets to a Super Bowl. Plainly he is capable of leading the Jets to a Super Bowl, since he played well in both AFC Championship Games, while the defense folded in both games (though I can at least understand getting rolled by Peyton Manning after he's had time to study the defense; coming out flat against the Steelers last year was just inexcusable).

I stand by my statement that the defense isn't elite; they're too inconsistent, too often fail to rise to the occasion, to be classified as such.

 

I picked out a few things I wanted to clarify on. Do you think it is him playing scared of the pass rush or playing scared of making a mistake? I think it is the second and then the first added on because of the weak oline. I think he started the season off with no big mistakes in his head, and thats why we see so many checkdowns from him even when there isn't a rush. Then when he was getting hit a lot starting with Mangolds injury, it just added to the face of ghost pressure because he was not used to getting more than 3 seconds. It is also strange when he is on move is usually when a play is broken and its all on talent and awareness, not on the coaches as much. (Can't blame Sanchez all the time without mentioning Schotty once haha)

I don't think soft is the right word. Kid goes out there no matter what the hit on the play/series before. Also a lot of the "pouting" labels are wrong I think because they told him to tone down his emotion both ways. Just because he isn't acting pissed or running around like a 7 year old after a ice cream truck doesn't mean he doesn't care or is "pouting". I don't think he is soft, it is more he is still inconsistent and having trouble reading defenses. It also doesn't help when defenses can key on our plays, so it makes reading the defense even harder when they have a good feeling on what we are running.

 

I think its scared of making a mistake because he does not know whats going on the field. He only sees such a small portion of the field, he does not understand defense or the offense. The game is simply being played at to fast a pace for him.

In regards to Soft that is Terrell Suggs for him. Suggs said when Sanchez is pressured he folds up and gives up the play. Which is essentially what he does. He panics does not move and sits there waiting for the inevitable hit. Sometimes he shuffles his feet or makes the the statue of liberty pose. But either way he panics and waits for the hit rather than either throwing the ball ways, trying to extend the play or running away from the rush. By soft its mental. He simply mentally folds up.

I don't have a problem with the OL. I think they are playing fine. They are the same unit from last year except we are playing some very good pass rushing defenses in games we are playing from behind. Almost every sack this year has been avoidable. Either Sanchez holds the ball to long or he freezes.

In games we are ahead we can just play action and Sanchez has almost infinite time. The problem with the rush he is having is because we are in more obvious passing situations and he is having to play in situations that a normal NFL QB has to play in. Every QB has protection problems in obvious passing situations but NFL QBs are not protected from this rush anywhere near as much as Sanchez. There is no QB in football who has it easier than Sanchez. Other QBs are simply better at throwing the ball away and extending the play than Sanchez. Sanchez is simply not a NFL QB he can play well when not rushed but this is the NFL. He would be a great flag football QB just not a very good NFL one.

Edit: I seem to be getting some flack for saying "In games we are ahead we can just play action and Sanchez has almost infinite time." What I meant here is this what we have done in games like the 1st Buffalo game. How many games did we go without a sack? 3? 4? In those games Sanchez did essentially have infinite time. Mainly we were not playing from behind, teams were focused on stopping our run game and the pass was a surprise. This is the big difference in regards to why we have given up more sacks this year than last Sanchez is in more passing situations this year than last year and we are playing from behind a lot more and he has to play in situations a normal NFL QB has to play in. Situations he is not prepared to handle. Sanchez can play well and post good stats when he is not rushed and his receivers are wide open but when he has to play in situations that a normal QB has to play in he simply cannot play at a NFL level. Which is why out entire offense is designed to reduce his exposure to the rush and protect against Sanchez mistakes costing the team another game.

 

1) The idea of Burleson and Young being better than Holmes is laughable. Tone had a truly awful game yesterday, but those guys aren't even in his stratosphere.

2) I never understand people downgrading Stafford because he thrives with an elite receiver. The "sure Stafford has 34 touchdowns, but let's see him do it with retards at WR!" argument is so stupid. Stafford should be credited with taking full advantage of a great weapon (as opposed to the way that Kolb wastes Fitzgerald or Delhomme wasted Smith for so many years,) not downgraded.

 

:rofl2: You can't really be serious with these ridiculous statements can you? Do you actually watch the games?

 

I seem to be getting some flack for saying "In games we are ahead we can just play action and Sanchez has almost infinite time." What I meant in that poorly worded statement is this what we have done in games in the past not what we can do in the future. In games like the 1st Buffalo game this is how we played. How many games did we go without a sack? 3? 4? In those games Sanchez did essentially have infinite time. Mainly we were not playing from behind, teams were focused on stopping our run game and the pass was a surprise. This is the big difference in regards to why we have given up more sacks this year than last Sanchez is in more passing situations this year than last year and we are playing from behind a lot more and he has to play in situations a normal NFL QB has to play in. Situations he is not prepared to handle. Sanchez can play well and post good stats when he is not rushed and his receivers are wide open but when he has to play in situations that a normal QB has to play in he simply cannot play at a NFL level. Which is why out entire offense is designed to reduce his exposure to the rush and protect against Sanchez mistakes costing the team another game. This why we run so many 1-3 srep drops, so many max proect sets, so many screens and check downs because Sanchez cannot be trusted with the ball in the pocket.

The OL is playing fine the problem is the QB. We may be playing more good pass rushing teams than last year and we may be playing from behind more putting Sanchez in more obvious passing situations but almost every sack this year has been avoidable. Sanchez freezes under pressure, has no internal clock, panics when rushed and takes hits when he does not have to take hits. He is simply not an NFL QB. He cannot handle pressure. Give him all day long and he can play. But so can any junior college QB. Put Sanchez on a normal NFL team where he is not protected like here and he would be a 3rd string journeyman QB. But even here unless we go to the SB his days are numbered. I would be shocked if we do not bring in competition next year and I would even say there is a remote chance he gets cut next year if someone falls in our lap. If we had a viable 2nd option Sanchez would have benched 6 weeks ago. He will never see a second contract with the Jets. It is just a matter of time. Hopefully we can get a bit more luck with our next QB choice.

 

Wow, someone has a hard on for Sanchez. Holmes can be a clown at times but he is a legit receiver. Its very laughable for you to even say 3 of Detroits receivers are better than him too. Stafford definitely benefits from having Calvin no question about it but he has skills too and if he would ever stay healthy, he would be a top 10 QB no doubt. You forget to mention that Stafford is doing all of this with little or no running game and a RB who is never healthy (Best). Sanchez came into a situation of where he had the benefit of a running game and a top 5/top 10 defense. Give a little credit where credit is due. Stafford is a player...

 

So what if Stafford has Calvin Johnson. Joe Montana had Jerry Rice. Tom Brady had Randy Moss and now Rob Gronk'. A good quarterback needs one really good receiving weapon in order to thrive. The opposite can also be said. The problem with the Jets is that they are not using each receiver to their own mechanics (Running Deep, Slants, etc...) They want to try and balance out the attack. I only see them use each receivers special mechanics only a few times to great success with the exception of burress being commonly used in the red zone. I just don't understand why they ever go deep with holmes this season.

 

What has Holmes done to warrant such recognition? You act as if he's a top flight receiver, he isn't. He's gone over 1000 yards once in his career and has never posted 10 or more touchdowns. Holmes doesn't have his own stratosphere that Burleson isn't in, because Holmes shares the same stratosphere of the rest of the #2, barely scratching 1k yard receivers. There is nothing laughable about comparing Holmes to a player who has similar numbers to him. I don't mind Holmes as a #2, but he's not a #1 receiver, and he certainly isn't top 10.

I'm not downgrading Stafford because I have never overrated him. I've always seen him as a mediocre fragile QB who makes terrible decisions and has questionable accuracy. Only now he has a primed Calvin fu***** Johnson to throw the ball to, and that's the only reason why he has good numbers. What irks is that someone actually thinks this guy would do better than Sanchez on this team. Outside of the top QBs, I don't see anyone being able to make this offense work, not with this group, and certainly not with Stafford.

Until I see Stafford making better decisions and improving his accuracy, I'm not going to elevate him to a category that he doesn't belong in. He's not the type of QB that's going to take a group of average guys and make them look good. He reminds of a Jeff Garcia type that relies on having the best WR in the game to inflate numbers, and then when he loses that top flight target, descends into complete mediocrity. Good enough to take advantage of that top flight receiver, but not good enough to have success without him. Excuse me for not buying the hype. I see him play and I see Jeff Garcia/Terrell Owens or Culpepper/Moss, not a future top 5 QB.

 

I agree with this Lions fan. While Sanchez may have come into a better situation in 2009, the situation is now reversed. The Jets running game is nowhere near where it was two years ago (not as good as the Lions) and the Jets pass protection has been downgraded immensely. Also the defense, while they have had some good games, is not up to the level of 2009. Stafford's team has gotten better since 2009 and Sanchez's team has gotten worse.

 

Sanchez now leads the league in Cancer Patients Visited and Gay Photoshoots.