The Packers also won a Super Bowl last year with offensive line play that was apparently even worse than the Jets was this year. Good quarterbacking is the cologne for pretty much any part of a team that stinks. I always considered the Colts line to be nothing special, low sack totals being a result of Manning's pocket presence and quick release. The league average this year was 6.7%. Last year it was 6.5%. That makes 7% slightly below average. Yes, the Patriots have elite protection every year. The 2010 Patriots were the only team of the last 3 season to have a sack rate under 3%. The 2008 Jets with Favre had a sack rate of 2.9%. In 2009 with a rookie Sanchez, it was 5.3%. I doubt it had very much to do with decreased pass protection. Same 5 linemen. Coverage sacks don't end up on youtube, jailbreak sacks and strip sacks do.
You were saying? P.S. It is not 7%. It is 7.3%. Slightly below? By numbers, you can contend that. Look how many line up between 6.8 and 7.2. (Jets are around 20th in sack rate as well - that is NOT slightly below average, no matter how you slice it.)
I consider average to be a range, not exactly 16th or 17th. Something like 13th-20th being average. That would make 12 teams above average, 12 below. The Jets were definitely in the range of average. Football outsiders' adjusted sack rate for the Jets was 6.7%, 17th.
I also said the O-line. Not the pass protection. Run blocking rated as well above average and OVERALL the line rated well above average. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol FO looks at every play of the game and grades it based on how successful it was. To make the "you were saying" point you tried to make, you have to believe that sacks are 100% the fault of the O line, and thus are an accurate measurement of it's performance. If I was the Jets QB this year, I'd have been sacked 100 times.
Holy shit, a post that exhibits signs of brain function. Someone who doesnt talk out of their ass and pretend Sanchez is not the biggest problem behind the o-line play. Well said man. The problem when it comes to the o-line last year was 98% Mark Sanchez for reasons I have discussed a million times. The otehr 2% was that Hunter is not very good. But again, with a good qb, we were never talking about how bad Hunter was.
I think it's half and half. Elite QBs don't grow on trees though. Regardless of who is throwing the ball, we need to improve on Wayne Hunter.
Now you've gone and disappointed milcus. He'll probably say you have half-a-brain or something. :wink:
Lol. We are only 48% apart. Thats more than the 98% apart on this issue that I am with most people who just think the line is bad without looking at the real issue.
Im pretty sure that the majority of people on this board will admit that it wasnt just the line. Im sure they will admit it wasnt just Sanchez. But Im sure theyll admit it was partly Sanchez's fault and partly the line’s fault. The blame in a team sport doesnt just fall on one man. It takes multiple people from multiple positions to fuck a season up. You are the extremest and fall into the "fucktard who believes the issue is all one man” category, along with your buddy jetsown22 who just got banned. Your argument is about as good as the Sanchez extremest who thinks that Sanchez had a great season and 98% of the pressures were generated solely from the lines shitty play.
Your extreme anti-Sanchez stance is as ridiculous as the couple of people who insist that Sanchez is an elite top 5 QB. The other 99.9% are rational enough to realize that the truth is actually somewhere in the middle. Edit: Oops, Laxinx beat me to it ^
If it's in the middle then he has no place being on a team trying to get a title. That isn't anywhere near good enough.
That makes no sense at all. You’re saying that because part of the pressures are his fault, he doesnt deserve to be on this team. Okay. But the line is responsible for the other part of the pressures as well, so does our line not deserve to be on this team too? /flawed argument
These stats illustrate a couple of important points. If you blitz Brady, Brees or Manning they make you pay for it. That is why the way beat Brady last year was not to blitz. If you blitz Sanchez he cannot answer instead he gives you gifts like its Christsmas. He is the worst QB in the league under pressure. Only good things happen to the defense when they blitz Sanchez. To make matters worse all defensive players know if they pressure Sanchez the odds of a sack, turnover or TD is very high. So they get a bit more excited and motivated than they would on a QB that can hurt them and avoid them. Until Sanchez can beat blitzes and respond under pressure defenses will come at him unmercifully. He is free money sitting on the ground and defenses will pick it up. It is similar to what happened to Chad against Oakland in the playoffs. Oakland played tight on his receivers and made Chad try to beat him downfield. All teams played him that way after. They made Chad have to throw the ball down the field to beat them. Until Sanchez can beat pressure and blitzes they will come at him. Until Sanchez can make better pre-snap reads and not panic when confused he will have a big target on his back. Mangini said the way to beat Sanchez is to keep in the pocket where he cannot beat you. He is right. Keep Sanchez in the pocket and he cannot hurt you. Also keep in mind that Sanchez is not allowed to throw in most obvious passing situations because he cannot handle the pressure. That the Jets simplified the offense to make his reads as simple as possible so he could get the ball out quickly. That they ran a ton of 1-3 step drops to help him avoid pressure. But the problem he has is when he gets confused he panics and shuffles his feet, does not look downfield and makes mistakes. These stats bear that out that when he is rushed he is the worst at avoiding sacks.
No, I am saying if he is only a mediocre QB which is the quote I was responding to then that isn't good enough for a team trying to go to the superbowl. I made no mention of pressures, the line or anything else you are talking about, just the fact he is mediocre.
you are missing a huge point, we don't know if these were blitzes or not. We know it was "pressure" but that could be a 3/4 man rush, not 7 blitzers.
I didn't see anything about being blitzed in that article. It's a lot easier to find an open guy when there's a blitz than when their isn't and your RT just got completely owned.
Okay, but doesnt the post you quoted also indirectly say our line is mediocre too? Since thats the way you interpreted Sanchez being in the middle... Soooooo indirectly, you dont think our OL deserves to be on the team, my point being. Now which position is it easier to upgrade? Finding a youthful, potential franchise QB or upgrading the OL?
Ladies and Gentlemen, may I introduce you to DON : 2012 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award Winner!!!! YAY!!!!! "flawed argument", you aren't kidding, lax.
At least he’s consistent and true to his title... We wouldnt want him to tarnish his honorable award.
So Patriots beat the Giants this season, right? Or Favre fucked it up so royally against (again) Giants in the playoff a few years ago, right? Or Brees against Niners this year. How did he look? Brilliant. No QB performs well under constant pressure - that is a fact, not a theory. Al Davis always preached "Quarterback must go down - and he must go down HARD" for a very good reason. ======================================== Look. Nobody is saying Sanchez is a top 5 QB. I am not. I don't have the stat off my head now, so I cannot tell. Check how much time he has once the ball is snapped. If he can have 3 seconds and still cannot find an open receiver, it is all on him - that is the criteria. Some sacks, (coverage) he failed to throw it away, but some sacks, he didn't have a chance in hell. It is those no-chance-in-hell sacks that brews happy feet in your QB. Give any QB a dose of that shit for a few years. They all become David Carr.
