Oak and Sd were in opposing terrain, beyond the 20... after 8 games 13 TD, 7 INT we're 5-3 last year 10/5 were 6-2 09 8/10 were 4-4... incremental
Great analysis. I really appreciate it when people back up their opinions with stats so kudos. As weird as this sounds I think Jets fans support Mark relatively well on the whole. He is young, but he plays better and better, and the stats back this up. Don't get me wrong, I can point out the bad plays (on the red zone INT Burress was 1-on-1!) but I don't think their is a dire need to look for another QB and feel the fan base supports him. Meanwhile watching the 4pm game I read the Patsfans.com live game-thread and there were multiple people saying "pull brady", not in a sarcastic or ironic way. WTF? Drunk on success at all?
This argument works both ways. He is getting NFL level coaching but he is also playing in the NFL. And yes, he has superior talent in the NFL, but he also faces NFL Ds instead of NCAA.
He wasn't elite his first three years in the league though... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm Look at his first three years... Oh and by the way, get a clue.
Good post, makes me feel a little better. Here's my average joe analysis which doesn't mean a whole lot. Pros: Sanchez can be very accurate. I've seen him zip some really well thrown balls very fast. Sanchez can scramble with the best of them and he can also throw fairly accurately when he does it. Sanchez is a very hard worker and loves the game. He's a natural leader and a positive influence on the team. He shows continued improvement in his technique. Cons: Sanchez's accuracy seems to be inconsistent. It seems like his progressions are methodical and mechanical. In other words, a lot of the great QB's I've watched like Brees, Brady, Manning, etc... have an intuitive internal clock (pocket awareness) for when they need to throw the ball. With Sanchez it seems like he's using a conscious clock, like "3...2...1... I need to throw it now..." Sanchez can force throws sometimes when he doesn't need to. Sanchez also seems to have trouble seeing receivers wide open. That's my unqualified analysis. I hope he just keeps improving and getting better because we NEED a better QB.
Not at all.....just point out what JetFanMack brought up, which is that I forgot to include each players playoff throws. Doesn't influence the overall point, or the numbers posted.....but it should still be noted.
I just want to illuminate these numbers above, with some other interesting numbers.... In 26 of Mark's last 29 starts, his numbers are.... Mark Sanchez 39 TD's 17 INT's 2.29 TD:INT ratio 218.53 YPG 7 YPA 58.5 completion % 87.1 QB Rating ...with a win loss record of 19-7. Now that can't overlook the fact that he's still prone to the odd (10.5%) meltdown game, which are the 3 games removed from the above 29 game sample size. ....but for a QB this raw, to deliver the numbers above in 90% of his games, tells, me that those that simply look at the entire body of work as a whole to make their judgement on what kind of QB he is week to week, are missing the progression that has been taking place with Mark, and the level of play he's bringing to the team most gamedays. As a comparison, Drew Brees over his last 25 starts, has the following numbers.... Drew Brees 54 TD's 33 INT's 1.63 TD:INT ratio 304.96 YPG 7.35 YPA 69.1 completion % 94.43 QB Rating .....now clearly Brees numbers are more impressive, in some cases, significantly more impressive, but there's certainly not the massive chasm that the average fan/beat writer, would try to have you believe..... Mark isn't some schlub that the Jets win inspite of every sunday.....he's an extremely raw QB, who is still learning the ropes on the job, who has quite clearly shown a potential that he has been starting to tap into over the last 20+ months.... If Mark recognizes the strides he's making, and keeps his confidence up, and the team sticks by him wholeheartedly, I have little doubt in my mind that in another year or two, we're going to be looking at an elite QB in this league.
The downside on Sanchez is that he's just a clutch game manager for the next decade. Given what we know about Rex Ryan's defenses at this point I'd take that no questions asked. I do think you're right though and that he's likely to be very very good by the winter of 2013 or so.
Not sure if you removed last seasons NE blowout loss. I was looking at that game yesterday as a basis of comparison. I had sort of forgotten this, but Sanchez threw all of his INTs in the second half when the Jets were in catch up mode. For some reason I remember him being awful in that game, but I'm sure part of it was having to play catch up. EDIT: Great post by the way, I love when people dig up these odd statistics that reporters often miss.
You're bang on, the three games removed were last years loss in NE, this years loss to Baltimore (which the O-Line can be faulted more than anyone) and last years GB game. Cheers, I'm a bit of a stathead, and although I recognize stats aren't the be all and end all, I find when put into the proper context (something that isn't done enough by the mainstream media) that it can tell us more about a player than we may generally recognize. I think in Mark's exceptionally rare case (the # of QB's who come out of college with as few college starts as him, is infinitesimally small) the underlying numbers are even more important, because the standard comparisons to other QB's just don't apply. (I also think that's why the # of passes barometer is so much more valid) Again, cheers for the feedback.
Why not remove Miami 10 as well? You'd have even better stats for still >85% of games played. I think it clearly belongs in the abberational column.
I wanted to remove as few games as possible, but you're 100% right, that Miami game clearly fits the mold (one of only 4 games in his last 29 with a QB rating under 56) Thanks for the heads up.... In 25 of Mark's last 29 starts, his numbers are.... Mark Sanchez 39 TD's 16 INT's 2.29 TD:INT ratio 218.64 YPG 7.1 YPA 59.63 completion % 89.43 QB Rating ...with a win loss record of 19-6. Some comparables in their last 25 games..... Drew Brees 54 TD's 33 INT's 1.63 TD:INT ratio 304.96 YPG 7.35 YPA 69.1 completion % 94.43 QB Rating 17 wins, 8 losses Eli Manning 46 TD's 32 INT's 1.44 TD:INT ratio 260.8 YPG 7.74 YPA 63.1 completion % 89.4 QB Rating 16 wins, 9 losses. Phillip Rivers 42 TD's 29 INT's 1.45 TD:INT ratio 299 YPG 8.44 YPA 65.3 completion % 93.86 QB Rating 13 Wins, 12 losses.
....and he's only 1,774 passes into his pro/college career. The others I listed are.... Drew Brees = over 6,500. Eli Manning = over 5,000. Phillip Rivers = over 4,500
In 2009 Mark Sanchez made his first start as a rookie. This is the Jet's starting lineup on offense that day: QB - Mark Sanchez TB - Thomas Jones FB - Tony Richardson 3B - Leon Washington WR - Jerrico Cotchery WR - Chansi Stuckey WR - Brad Smith TE - Dustin Keller RT - Damen Woody RG - Brandon Moore C - Nick Mangold LG - Alan Faneca LT - D'Brickashaw Ferguson TE2 - Ben Hartsock This year the Jet's starting lineup on offense included: QB - Mark Sanchez TB - Shonn Greene FB - John Conner 3B - LaDainian Tomlinson WR - Santonio Holmes WR - Plaxico Burress WR - Derrick Mason TE - Dustin Keller RT - Wayne Hunter RG - Brandon Moore C - Nick Mangold LG - Matt Slauson LT - D'Brickashaw Ferguson TE2 - Mathew Mulligan Over the course of two seasons the Jets replaced 9 of the 14 players who had a steady defined role in their offense. They replaced ALL of the WR's. The only person that Sanchez is throwing too who was here at the start of his rookie season is Dustin Keller. Guess who he is most comfortable with? You're a raw rookie in 2009 and by the start of 2011 only your C, LT, RG and TE are still with you.
