Jameis Winston has more rushing touchdowns this year than Marcus Mariota. Nice try, but that doesn't work here especially since the hit delivered by Cameron Wake that sprained his MCL was delivered IN THE POCKET.
Lol, still can't admit you were wrong about Mariota. He's an opportunistic runner, not looking to run as a first option and playing more from the pocket. He's got 34 rushing attempts this year. Aaron Rogers has 52. Does he want his career back? _
Or Wilson, when you scramble to throw. Wilson's got the best deep ball in the league easily. Mariota, had a good rookie year overall, but I am still not completely impressed that he can be a guy to lift a franchise and cover it's issues. I think he'll be a good QB but his stats are pretty inflated by 3 games. First game of the year against an unprepared Bucs team, the awful Saints defense and finally the woeful Jaguars. Some good luck has come his way with tipped passes especially that Saints game. If the kid doesn't get a good offensive line, Mariota will be toast easily in this league. Titans made the right pick, and I think the Jets may have done so as well given the circumstances. We have a lot of positions to improve especially on the offensive line.
Double knee injury his rookie year suggests that he's going to have problems throughout his career. It may not happen that way but he's had sprained MCL's in both his left and his right knees in the 10 starts he's had in the NFL. That is a rough start and one that people were worried about before the draft given what happened to RGIII. He was wearing a brace on one knee and the other one gave out last weekend. Think about it for a second.
101 you're better than this. ANY QB would be toast in the NFL without a good OL to protect him, not just Mariota. No one claimed that Mariota was a once in a generation, can't miss QB like Peyton Manning or Luck. He's the next best thing. He's had an excellent rookie season. He's had a terrible OL, few weapons with which to work and a change in CS in the middle of the season. If Mariota was sitting on the Jets' bench behind Fitz. This franchise would be looking worth a bloody fortune. And you could pen the Jets in for the playoffs for the next 10-15 years if Mac is any kind of GM at all.
He hasn't had an offseason in an NFL training room to build strength in his legs and body yet. He took a pounding behind a terrible OL. You're wrong about him, just admit it.
Winston has had a ton of luck with dropped picks this year, and so has that QB playing in Carolina this season. He also had multiple picks where his wide receivers were clueless and did not finish through the routes or fight at the catch point. He was outsanding in his rookie year, in terms of pocket manipulation, being able to cover the flaws of his offensive lines at times, and just his overall processing speed for a player that said wouldn't be able to play in year one. Those who have paid attention to him, shouldnt care for his stats.. he had a great statline against Saints, but was medicore for 3.5 quarters, but was good against the second best in the NFl in Carolina. And if Winston does what Mariota is doing with the garbage he has had in Tennessee, people are anointing him as the greatest QB ever. Obviously he has his flaws, including a poor deep ball and fumbling problem, but there's a double standard when it comes to those two. Mariota may never a top 3 or five QB, but there are only four or five trascendent hall of fame caliber QBS. If he stays reasonably healthy he'll be in tier two with the potential to be an all pro down the line. The Bucs and Titans drafted studs, I just wish the Jets would have had a shot at those two guys.
Can't let facts get in the away of a narrative. He may be an injury prone player, who knows, but if he is injury prone it has nothing to do with him being a "run" first QB; I don't get how any could have watched Mariota this season and think that his success depends on his legs. I was one of the biggest Mariota fans here and he may have exceeded my expectations this season as well; I hope the ascension of Carr/Cam and hopefully Mariota puts this spread QB debate to rest.
BWay hated Teddy, Carr and Mariota for the silliest of reasons. He is hoping beyond hope that all these guys bomb so he can claim some victory. But he's wrong. They are all going to be really good QBs in this league for a long time. Guys worthy of high draft status. _
I think it would've been better for the Titans to sit him down this year, Titans are a complete mess on offense. I think Mariota has the potential to be a good QB in this league, but I have a feeling the Titans will do a bad job developing him. Mariota had a good rookie year, but a lot of those statistics were skewed due to 3 games. That's not to say I wouldn't draft him - I would've loved to see him in Gailey's offense. I'm not disappointed we couldn't draft him looking back and I wouldn't have sold the house for him. I like our draft class this year, they've gotten better as the season progressed.
Eli Manning is the king of dropped interceptions and that guy is going to the HOF. A lot of issues with the Bucs was Mike Evans drops and the team went through it's own injuries with VJax and that TE. Sucks we didn't get 1 of the 2, but I am not going to cry about it. I really liked what Winston did as the season progressed. He's already the leader of that team. Mariota, it's going to be a tougher transition, especially if the FO doesn't do their part.
Carr is not a true spread QB. He has pro-style experience. And there will only be 1 Cam Newton. 6'5 250 with a Rocket Arm.
I think the main problem was drafting Geno in the first place....It fooled the dummies into thinking we had a QB, which prevented them drafting another one. Bridgwater or Carr should be a Jet....or they should have at least drafted a guy like Mettengerger in the later rounds.
Carr has excelled at his best in spread sets under Bill Musgravw. Tons of empty sets in shotgun to get the ball out of his hands quicky; he struggles when he has to execute a tradational old school passing where he can get tied up in his progressions. As Bill Billechick said two days ago, players will learn what they are taught; some learn quicker than others, but just because a player has not been asked to esxecute certain elements of a tradational offense, doesn't mean he can't do it. And I do agree with you when it comes to the Titans. Winston is in a much better situation, and I hope he succeeds, but the Titans are a hot mess. But with Mariota they may be able to attract a Hue Jackson , which would be great for him
At the end of the day he had experience in the pro-style offense and David Carr, you can't forget about element, helped Derek become the player he is today. Read up on their story. He's not a true spread QB. That kid if he continues to develop will be their version of Aaron Rodgers.
That's great, but he experienced much of his success in a spread offense at Frenso State and that's where he has exceled in the NFL. He's good but won't be anywhere close to the Aaron Rodgers of that team. Doesn't do enough outside of the structure of the play for me to say he has that upside, but he'll definitely be a top 10 QB/top 12 QB..
