Dawson one 1 SB as did Namath. Namath had one great team 68. Dawson had several. Dawson was a third string QB for his entire NFL career. He had to jump leagues to even get a shot. Namath could have started on any team in either league day 1. Dawson never threw for 3,000 yards in a season.
how come when any team besides Indy wins it's b/c of everyone but the QB but when Indy wins it's only b/c of Manning? Eason in the 3 AFC playoff games was 29-42, 367 yds, 5 TDs, 0 INTs and a 135 rating. Craig james helped carry them after they beat us but eason wasn't making mistakes and he led their O to an average of 23 PPG. Dawson made 2 SBs and pre-SBs he won an AFL Title.
There?s no way to know that Chicago was going to defeat Miami again because Marino choked away the AFCCG. Clayton was a great receiver. He was one of the best receivers in the league. Wayne is a great receiver and one of the best in the league. They?re about equal. No, I don?t think Harrison puts up as good of numbers with a different receiver. Wayne DID cut off his route. Had he continued he would have been able to make the catch. Garcon had some good games. That has some to do with Wayne getting the attention and Manning elevating his play. If he were on the Jets this year he would not nearly been as good. Why are you using reception totals for your argument of KC players vs. NYJ players? We?ve already gone over the fact that the Jets were a passing offense while the Chiefs were a rushing offense. Here is a comparison of the pass attempts by the two teams from 1965-1969 NYJ 1965 ? 459 1966 ? 514 1967 ? 515 1968 ? 436 1969 ? 394 KC 1965 ? 395 1966 ? 377 1967 ? 382 1968 ? 270 1969 ? 351 Based on that how is Arbanas supposed to have more receptions that Lammons; Burford more than Sauer; McClinton more than Snell; Pitts more than Mathis?
They won because their defense forced SIXTEEN (16) turnovers in the 3 playoff games prior to the Super Bowl.
You do realize that the SB winning team that Dawson played on went 6 and 0 with Mike Livingston starting and 5 and 2 with Dawson starting. That team was entirely stacked. The year the Jets won the SB when they were healthy they beat the Chiefs 20 to 19. Against a great Jet D Dawson was 12 for 20 98 yards no td no int's. Namath went 17 for 29 302 2 TD's and 1 INT. The Chiefs were the best all around team in the AFL for years and they won at a higher percent without Dawson in their SB year than with him. I do love Namath he was great and unlike Dawson when he got to the big game he wasn't intimidated and the team knew it. I think if Namath and the Jets didn't win the SB Dawson would have folded again the following year.
Wayne is better than Clayton was. I think Harrison was going to put up great #s no matter what QB he was w/. I'm sure the #s got inflated a bit more playing w/ someone like Manning mostly indoors but he was going to put up #s anywhere. Of course he wouldn't have been as good on our team w/ a rookie QB. That doesn't mean he isn't good. Those guys aren't supposed to have more recs, the point was maynard had more competition for balls. Are you really saying the Jets didn't have weapons? Both QBs had guys to throw to, the Jets had more weapons and a better QB when HEALTHY.
I didn't realize that, that is a great tidbit and I thank you for that but of the 6 teams they beat w/ him as their starter not one was over .500. of the 7 games dawson started he led them to wins over 3 teams w/ winning records including an eventual playoff team.
So the O had nothing to do w/ it- it was all the defense? the fact that eason didn't turn it over once in 3 AFC playoff games and threw 5 TDs in 3 games didn't help them at all?
More weapons in the passing game means other teams had to direct defensive assets away from them as well. The fact is Taylor much like Braylon Edwards for us used to get so many medium range shots with nobody around him because KC had a great running game and ran play action to Taylor out of it. Maynard cought balls from Namath down the field and Namath was capable of waiting and getting it out on a line or over his shoulder with guys all over him. Dawson simply didn't make those kind of throws and with KC's running approach and play action he didn't have to. Maynard would have done very well on KC. Namath would have thrown the ball to Taylor all day. Hard to say if he catches those over the shoulder and line drives in traffic that Maynard cought? He certainly would have had more catches and more yards.
I thinks Sauer was better than Maynard. He was absolutely great in traffic over the middle deep it didn't matter great hands, great route runner under appreciated down field speed. I would take Sauer over Taylor and Maynard not knowing he would walk away from the game. Very tough pick between Taylor and Maynard. Maynard gets the edge because he was a Jets player. Taylor used to scare the crap out of me on every passing play. He was big and fast and couldn't be pushed around. I always felt Bilinikoff and Alworth were the two best WR in the league followed by Sauer and Maynard. However Taylor was the guy who scared me the most because he could score on any play he was so big, fast and tough.
Thanks. from alot of what I have read and from talking to others who watched them play they felt sauer was better. What a strange guy to walk away from such a great career.
He passed for 179, 117 and 71 yards. Yeah...he was definitely the reason they made it to the Super Bowl and the 16 turnovers the defense created had absolutely nothing to do with it
Actually Montana played in great weather all year long, his teams won home field advantage most of the years he won the SB so he did enjoy the benefits of good weather. That being said he is in my opinion the greatest QB of all time. We cannot discount the fact that this is a team effort, I think as always the QB gets too much credit and too much blame. I give Greg Williams the credit for this victory, as he put together a good defensive game plan. I actually thought the Ravens played a similar defensive game, where they played safeties deep, took away Garcon and Wayne and forced PM to move the ball with underneath passes. He is going to put up points as he is a great QB, however if you can take away the big play from him it gives your team a better chance of beating him.
Where did I say he was the reason? I think I even said Craig james was mostly the reaon on O the last 2 AFC games. I simply said he played well and didn't turn the ball over.
The weather in SF late in the year wasn't always good and he did go into Soldier Field and lead a crushing win over Chicago in the '88 title game.
In 9 years with Marino (including 1 strike shortened season) Clayton caught 81 TDs to Wayne's 63 had a higher YPC and in an era where 100 receptions were not the norm like they are today caught one less pass per game than Wayne. He was the better deep threat and was a better scorer. I'm not saying Harrison isn't good, but he became great when he played with Manning. He is not going to set the records he did if he played with a different QB. The Chiefs had plenty of targets as well, they just didn't throw as much as the Jets did. Where did I say the Jets didn't have weapons? This is the second time you have put words in my mouth. You said Maynard had more weapons to take receptions away than Otis Taylor did. I am telling you that Taylor had just as many guys taking receptions from him AND the Chiefs did not throw as much. From 1967-69 Mike Garrett caught 21% of the passes the Chiefs completed. In 1965-66 Chris Burford caught 23% and 29% respectively. In 1968-69 Frank Pitts caught 19% and 16% of the completed passes. In 1965 Curtis McClinton caught 18% and in 1967 he caught another 12% From 1965-67 Fred Arbans caught over 20 passes each season (12%, 11% and 9%) In 1965-66 Matt Snell caught 18% and 19% respectively and caught 11% in 1969. From 1966-69 George Sauer caught 25%, 28%, 30% and 22% From 1965-67 Bill Mathis caught 8%, 9%, 9% and in 1969 caught 9% From 1966-69 Pete Lammons caught 16%, 16%, 15% and 16% From 1965-69 Otis Taylor caught 13%, 29%, 28%, 13% (played in only 7 games; missed time because of a pulled hamstring) 21% (played in only 11 games) From 1965-69 Don Maynard caught 32%, 19%, 26%, 26%, 23% As you can see they both had competition for the ball and both caught a good share of the passes.
