Brady by 800 miles. I completely agree with junc! In the interest of fair disclosure, SOME people have said that I have an irrational pure blind hatred for all things Manning and I should seek some help. While I agree I hate the Mannings, I'm comfortable with my hatred!
With time running down and a TD would give you a win as opposed to a tie when you're already in FG range? I'd be going for the 'W'. But you can make a case where they should have tried to get closer for the FG. But it would have only resulted in a tie and then he'd get critisized for not going for the win if they lost.
In 07 he had the most talent on O that any QB has had in years and while he was great in the regular season, he lead the single biggest choke in championship play in SB history. Leading that team to 17 points, under performing his regular season performance by huge margins, putting his team in position to rely on their D to win was a choke of epic historic proportions. Not having the defensive signals and relying on himself rather than the coaches to check out of play after play the guy was awful. Granted he did lead his team down the field in the 4th quarter but it was to little and not late enough for an offensive juggernat that depended on it's QB/WR to put at least 20 on the board when the team averaged over 35 per during the regular season.
They were in long FG range w/ a choker for a K, they could have gotten the 1st down gottne him 5-10 yards close and still taken shots at the EZ. He was given multiple gifts that game by Pitt and the officials and he couldn't take advantage. Please stop. His '07 O was the best talent around him but not even better than some of Peyton's O's. He didn't have great RBs and he had one great WR and a bunch of average WRs to go w/ average TEs. How does a QB lead his team 80 yds for the go ahead TD in the final minutes have that game be considered the biggest choke? if that is a huge choke what can we call Peyton's postseason career?
haven't we been asking the same thing about Herm Edwards against Pittsburgh in one of the worst stadiums to kick FG's in and yet you defend that Brien should have been able to hit it?
If you can't even admit that that offense putting 17 points on the board in the biggest game of the year for the greatest offensive team in NFL history was a choke, we can't continue this conversation. Manning clearly had choke playoff games and Brady has also, Denver in 06 and the 07 SB.
Vanderjagt missed that kick because it WIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDEEEEEEE right. Moving another 5-10 yards would not have helped.
Your under rating of Welker may be clouding your thinking about the talent Brady had around him in the 07 SB?
I have always said taking a knee was asinine BUT he missed by inches from 47, iut's reasonable to expect that he could make it from 43. if he kicks it the same way we go on to lose in BE the next week instead of Pitt that week. Their O only scored 21 the game before. They hadn't been clicking since early Dec(Outside of the week 17 game at NYG) and they scored when they had to down 3 w/ minutes left giving the Pats a 14-10 lead only to watch the D give it right back. So you think from 5-10 yds closer he kicks it the same way? Or your overrated of him. he's a nice player, nothing special. he's not a Reggie Wayne or marvin Harrison type.
45 yard FGs are pretty routine these days. And it was indoors. It shouldn't have been a problem. So yeah, I think he would have kicked them the same way.
31 against Jacksonville in the playoffs. Lead the league in receptions 2 years in a row once with Tom Brady throwing to him and once with Matt Cassell throwing to him. 2nd in the league in yards per touch in 04 and 3rd in 05 on a bad Miami team. Huge weapon and a great sign for NE coupled with Moss the guy is almost an automatic first down machine. Half of his league leading receptions last year were for first downs. The perfect system player.
