We don't know. I hear good things about him from analysts, some of the coaching staff etc. The guy was drafted last year and was expected to spend AT LEAST a full season learning. There is NO way they draft a QB on Day 1. I've heard good things about him...
Fill 8 holes with 4 picks? Seems a bit impossible to me. I said we can fill any of about 7 or 8 needs with those picks. And how many QBs picked Top 5/10 have been major busts? The draft is a crapshot anywhere. Just because we got Namath once, doesn't mean we won't get Ryan Leaf the next time. Give Clemens a chance before trying to get another QB...
How many busts at WR, NT, OL, LB, CB, TE, etc. has this team drafted? Didn't we draft a bust LB on day 1 last year? We allready got Ryan Leaf, he's name was Ken O'Brien and should have been Dan Marino. We also drafted Chad in round 1 what is this going to be year 8 since we drafted him? How many years until Clemens is trusted to do mop up duty let alone by the man.
What does that mean? So you'd like to use 2/3 of our first day picks to trade up for a QB even with the needs we have that can be adressed with those picks? Since when is Schlegal a bust? You can't call someone a bust if he doesn't play in his rookie year. That's flat out ridiculous to call him a "bust" already. I guess by those standrads, Kellen Clemens is a bust, Vernon Davis is a bust etc... How many outsatdning players didn't play a whole lot in their rookie year?
There are needs we have that can be addressed in FA and later in the draft. We need a franchise QB and I don't think we have one on the roster. I think there may be two franchise caliber QB's in this draft? I'm not qualified to say they are or there not. From my point of view, until we get an elite QB on this team we aren't going to win a SB. That's my opinion so from my point of view, I would much rather go in that direction than fill a few holes that doesn't address that issue. NT, LB, CB, Safties, BR, Blocking FB, WR that are competent are always going to be cut, or available in FA. Opportunities to get elite QB are very rare and have to be seized on to really energize a team and push it out of the pack. That's what I believe and always have. There are several examples of teams without elite QB's winning SB but I believe they are the exeption to the rule. Their are also examples of teams getting elite QB's out of the first round but I don't believe we can build our team by winning the lottery.
We just drafted a guy named Kellen Clemens in the 2nd round. What has he done to prove he's not a potential franchise QB? I'll ask you again: Do you feel perfectly comfortable trading AT LEAST our #25, #37 and probably another pick to move up for a QB even WITH Kellen Clemens on the roster? Hey, they passed on Matt Leinart last year and they took Kellen Clemens later on. They passed on a Top Franchise QB last year at #4 in hopes of taking Clemens later on. That must count for something.
They also took Shlegel in the third round. If you really look at it we got 2 players in the first 3 rounds, Ferguson and Mangold, we got a developmental QB and a bust LB in round 2 and 3. We did get a second for next year. We got Eric Smith, Leon Washington and Brad Smith on the second day of the draft. All of whom could consivably be better than Ferguson, Clemens and Shlegel and have more impact on the team than any of those 3 chosen on the first day. Ferguson was good last year but clearly hasn't proven he is going to be a stud LT, Mangold has shown himself to be a stud. Both Smiths and Washington also may turn into stud impact players. The single best player on our team, Rhodes was a late round pick. The answer to me is if you can trade Vilma for Portis and exchange first round picks and than move up a spot or two with a couple of seconds or even our 08 first to get a QB we really believe in, yes I would do it.
I give up.... IMO, everything you say is ridiculous... SO Kellen Clemens and Anthony Schlegal are OFFICIALLY BUSTS. OK Great. A player who doesn't make the Pro Bowl or have a GREAT season as a rookie is a bust. And we should trade our young, talented defensive leader at MLB for an injury prone RB just because he was a little disapointing in his first year in the 3-4? Sounds great, yep.... Yeah, uh huh, yeah... Sounds great.
You can roll your eyes all you want, I never said Clemens was a bust, I said developmental player. Big difference you may be right but at the moment he is a player who does zip for us. I hope you're right about Clemens and by the way Vilma wasn't that great in 05 when we played a 4/3. He did have a lot fo tackles 4 to 5 yards on the wrong side of the line of scrimage but he hasn't exactly been the next coming of Dick Butkus has he? I'm not knocking your opinion, I just view it differently than you do.
I think some people on this board should just take a vacation during the offseason. It seems like they get really bored, and it's keeping them from thinking straight. Yea, despite the fact that we have a proven QB like Pennington who has won playoff games and took this team to the playoffs last year when no one expected us to be there, and we have a QB we spent a 2nd round pick on last year, who at the time of the draft most "experts" were raving about. A guy who was drafted because they felt he could be our future QB, and he hasn't done anything yet to show that he's not. Despite having major needs at running back, offensive line, defensive line, pass rushing linebacker, cornerback. Despite all that we should trade probably our first 3 draft picks this year for a guy who never plays well in big games or against the big teams, or a very talented but raw player that's probably a few years away. Brilliant.
Clemens must be a bust to you if you want to use 3 first day picks to get Jamarcus Russell or Brady Quinn. I definatley like Clemens.
I think instead of trading up to get one of those 2, we should just draft 7 QB's this year, or however many picks we have. Then next year take another 7. Year after the same. You can never have enough, and who cares about all those other positions
:lol: :lol: :lol: Woah... So how long before you tell us that Matt Millen is the NFL's most brilliant GM? He took 3 WRs 3 years in a row and now he has the best recieving core in the NFL with Roy Williams, Mike Williams and Charles Rogers.
Why argue about starting QB? We have enough other problems and QB is way down the list . Stop reading between the lines. Naming Penny as starter settles most of the team, (see LC). Going into TC I will be more than happy to already know who our starting QB is going to be. The circus that was starting QB last year was a distraction and I look forward to a TC where we know which general is calling the shots. Clemens will learn from an intelligent QB without getting killed, that makes me happy.
Quinn could drop to the 6 to 9 pick range depending on how his combine looks. He's a talented prospect but then agan so was Matt Leinart and he slid to 9 with only one QB drafted in front of him also. The Raiders are going to take Russell. The Lions *should* take Quinn, but Matt Millen does not understand football at all so they will wind up taking somebody else. The Bucs should take Quinn but Gruden is very enamored of Alan Branch and it's starting to look like the Bucs on the 4 is where he winds up. With Cleveland and Arizone currently developing their future QB's that puts Quinn on the 6 at Washington's pick.
Yea that's sure working out with the Giants and there franchise QB. Sure worked out with the Chargers in Leaf. The Browns drafted Tim Couch, they are really lighting it up with there franchise QB. David Carr. Vick. Akili Smith. Cade Mcnown. All those "franchise QB's" sure seem to be bringing in Championship after championship. Last year with a huge need at QB we didn't want to spend a early first rounder on Leinart who was one of the best college QB's ever, Cutler who is as physically talented as anybody in the league now, and Young who was coming off an amazing performance in the National Championship. And now you want to blow basically the whole draft on a QB even though neither of the guys are even on the same level as the players we could have had last year, nor is QB even in the top 10 positions of need on this team like it was last year.
