You cant blame Mangini for this. He has done what needed to be done. He built a solid 3-4 defense. Yes it is still short on NT's - but when healthy its a solid defense. He has worked to improve the offense. Getting good O Lineman is tough but we filled that hole. It was exactly what we wanted from the FO. ANd Mangini has proven that he knows more about the Jets then both this board and the media. For instance, maybe we wern't opening up our offense because we wern't ready to open up our offense. Heck - everyone was pissing about not opening it up in the 2nd half of the Miami game. Do you realize we could be 0-3 right now if we did that. Or the complaints about running 3 straight times in NE. Besides the fact that we are supposed to be a team that is able to run the ball, did you see some of our goal line passes in SD? Like the 2 point conversion for example. Running it probably wasn't that bad of a call. Miami had little problem running on NE in similar situations this week. Obviously coaches are seeing something. SO is it the coach or is it the players who are to blame? The NE game was a toss up and we lost. Deal with it. Most of us on this board dont really "know it all" about the Jets. Fortunetly Mangini does.
obviously, tanny and woody did their homework ( sarcasm). i had not realized that until you pointed it out. tuna took the playcalling away from weis when he ran the jets. ask the folks at notre dame if they agree with that.
"You can't blame Mangini for this?" Sorry, but the head coach (and the QB) always get the blame. Or maybe you're new to this NFL thing? "He built a solid 3-4 defense" No offense (and no pun intended), but that defense didn't look so solid the other night agaist SD. "Mangini has proven that he knows more about the Jets then both this board and the media." Er, how did he prove that, exactly? Maybe by going 4-12 last year? Yeah. That sure taught us all a big lesson. Or maybe by getting bulldozed by his ownership to sign Bret Favre so that they could sell more PSLs? Yes, we all learned a lot from that. That sure showed the rest of us how much Mangini knows about football! And obviously, judging from THIS post? You are also some kind of Man-Genius! Meabwhile, I got two words for ya: SPELL CHECK!
This team is underarchieving, about everyone isn´t playing at the level, they can and should play (some exeptions on D). They don´t look like they have fun out there and they don´t look like a team out there. Especially with Favre at the helm, these things are essential to be succesfull. This things are very hard to get and take time, but Mangini´s gotta do this fast. There are some games ahead, that are good to have fun and to become winners, if they don´t, we will be watching the Bills and Pats in January and Mangini has to go. btw, if Mangini has to go, does Tanny also have to go? I´d like to keep him.
People here just never get it. Mangini (and Tannenbaum for that matter) came cheap and that's why he is the HC of the NYJ. So did Edwards and so will the next fool they bring in after they fire this guy's fat ass.
I pretty much agree with this one. Not sure about Tanny is the exception, but while I don't yet believe we are at the point where Mangini should have gone yesterday, he is running out of time. I will say I have to assume Ouchy is Mrs. Mangini's handle here.
That's just total bullshit. I suspected the same thing back then and up until this offseason, but if this offseason has proven anything, it's that Woody is not cheap. He's willing to throw down when necessary. I suspect one of the main reasons he hired Mangini is his man-love (no pun intended) for anything coming out of the rotting cesspool known as Foxborough.
So what does that win SB championships? The only thing that wins SB championships is SB championship caliber teams (this year see NYGs, Dal, Phil, TN, Den, Bflo) & so far Woodys is 0-8 going on 0-9 in that all important dept. I cannot understand how most everybody on this board makes alibis & excuses for the CS & ownership when they have produced NOTHING especially Woody
How much did Woody spend on players this off-season? He's not the GM, not the coach and not the kicker. All he can do is pay for the guys the management sees fit to bring in. If that doesn't work he can change management, which he did a couple of years ago. If we were losing and way under the cap you would have a point but we aren't and you don't.
I agree that you need a championship caliber team to win championships (I'm not saying this to be funny, I think what you said boils down to that) but you can't assemble this team in one off-season. Give them time, it's early yet. The Giants started off terrible last season, but I seem to recall it ending well. Give it until week a few more weeks before you say this team can't win big. Remember, it's not always the talent of your own team, other team's injuries are key as well.
Going 3-0 doesn't make you a Super Bowl caliber team. Keeping is going throughout the season through adversity does, or getting it together after a bad start does as well. Did you consider the NYGs a SB caliber team at this point last season? I believe they had the same record as we do in week 3 2007. Let's see in week 10 if you still consider all of the teams you listed as SB caliber teams.
I think he spent the money so folks would scoop up those PSL's and season tickets to the new stadium. That said, the Jets moves this offseason look pretty good on paper. It may take a little while for that to show on the field. If they get to the bye 2-2, they have a better than decent chance to make the playoffs. The AFC is wide open this year IMO.
Woody's not the issue right now. He may become the issue after the next regime depending on how things go but he's not the issue right now. The issue right now is that the Jet's talent looks like a misassemblage of the soon-to-be, the were-yesterday and the probably-never-will be. The Jet's coaching looks totally uninspired and flat. Add those two factors together and you have the Washington Redskins in their challenged period from 2000 to 2003. And that's probably indicative of where the Jets will windup this year, somewhere between 6-10 and 8-8. Daniel Snyder WAS part of that problem, however I don't think Woody is part of this one yet. He's still handing his football guys the job of trying to put things together without meddling heavily as Snyder was.
how quickly this board changes. There should be a caution: overreactions run rampant. If you were to say in before the preseason we would be 1-2 I think most of us would have expected this. If we go into the next couple of weeks with the soft schedule we have coming up and we don’t start to put things together then there might be cause for concern, I stress the might. This is a relatively new team playing together and it can’t be expected that they would automatically gel and have immediate chemistry. We have a lot of things to build on and a lot of areas to improve. I think it is a bit early to be calling for anyone’s head yet. Remember this is his 3rd year and the third game of the year. Has there been areas of concern absolutely is there a overreaction on this board….
I think its very reasonable to expect better out of this team than what we have witnessed so far. If you continually lose then you are a loser. In light of the money and moves made to upgrade weaknesses this offseason this has been an absolute train wreck so far and im not beaing irrational. I think any highschool coach could have done just as well coacing as what happened on monday. At least maybe someone .....anyone else might have the balls to commit to something instead of hedging bets with passive schemes and allowing the sd offense to dictate the tempo of play. If you get beat fine, but get a good lick on the qb and he will have to respect the rush. Does anyone think our secondary was going to hold up minus the rush? If thats the case then do whatever it takes to ensure rivers doesnt have a comfort factor. He has a weak arm and when cbs can be aggressive knowing the qb has to get rid of the ball then they are more effective. Mangini has to get more aggressive with his game plans, his coaching, he has to show why he was so highly regarded because right now he is doing a shitty job and he hasnt been improving. If we lose by two touchdowns to Zona which is looking very possible, then he should be fired immediately for incompetence. This is coming from someone who has always supported this coach.
