my post had nothing to do with that, it was merely pointing out at the time he had 8 posts, and almost all of them were the same 2 exacts posts also, if you (mangenius) had other names, why do you have a new account instead of just having your name changed, were you banned before? and hotcoles, ever hear of just posting everything you have to say in one post, or at the very least editing your post if you were the last one posting in the thread to add-in what you want, seriously what was that like 6 posts in a row?
Well i think that anything that is said by someone with so little posts has to be regarded first as shit because they havent proven their committment to the board. Also because of that same reason most of the people know more than you about this type of stuff so please stop baggin the pros
Choosing character players has nothing to do with not being able to handle low lifes with talent. It's about presenting an image to the fans, the league, and to other players that this is a class organization and one a draft pick or free agent might want to play for and fans might want to root for. It's easy to forget now but NE was once the kind of place where they'd have to overpay for free agents because no one wanted to go there. The Jets in the last few years have also lost out on a lot of good free agents who chose to go elsewhere not necessarily over money but for what they perceived as a better work situation. Mangini's trying to change that perception and he's on the right track. There's also a practical side. If you're going to continue to install complex offenses and defenses like Mangini was used to in NE, you need smart dedicated players who'll listen to you and be able to follow the plan. Most of the prima donnas won't buy into that and a jerk like Arrington nearly wrecked the Redskins defense before they benched him for awhile because he cared only about his stats and left huge gaps in the defense while running around freelancing.
You need a little patience. There are too many holes left over from the previous staff to solve in one free agency period. You know that the Jets had no chance at Bentley. He said as early as LAST YEAR that he wanted to go home to Cleveland. Arrington hurts defenses as much as he helps them and he wants the kind of money that will chew up valuable cap space better spent elsewhere. Teague is here to hold the fort as will several other guys that will be signed. That gives Mangini time to build talent through the draft which is the way the good teams do it.
You're missing the point about Harrison and the Patriots. Character doesn't mean soft. It's true that Rodney will do anything to win ON THE FIELD. Off the field, he's very intelligent and a class act who's a workout warrior and spends lots of time watching over younger Patriots players being very quick to help with questions about things that come up both on and off the field. As a matter of fact, many of the Patriots are well known to play with a real mean streak when on the field and even Brady, who's very friendly and engaging off the field, has a real edge to him DURING games. That's actually the ideal situation when you have a guy who wants to win more than anything else and will do whatever the coaches ask to get to that goal while still having the maturity and character to be a solid citizen off the field. Belichick was asked last year if the Patriots were really as close as the media portrays them. He replied, "With all of the different personalities and backgrounds of these 53 men if you're asking if we sit around the campfire on Friday nights and sing Kumbaya together, no". Then he added, "But they can come together and play as a team towards a common goal and that's what's important".
Good post....they call that 'real edge' during games where I come from "White Line Fever" - in other words a player can be a real gentleman off the playing field, but when he crosses the white line onto the field of play they become an animal. That is the type of player most clubs want.
I think the point would be that few of the long list of Pat stars were not expected to be stars...... but thruogh goodcoaching, a great work ethic and super attitude, they moxed out and became stars. I think the opposite of a Mangini guy would be the kind of guy who comes in with lots of press, comparable attitude and never quite lives up to the billing.
I think the whole point of this thread was to emphasize the fact that Mangini hasnt even fielded a team yet and people act like he has a solidified MO. Seriously maybe you guys are used to Herm being nonsensical. But saying "I want tough, dedicated, athletic, and smart players" isnt really anything you have to brainstorm to say. I think every coach wants a "Mangini" player. So people go throwing around the term as if A)mangini has shown what he does with his own team yet OR B)like you know mangini himself wouldnt be impressed with a certain player i think that was the point of this post even if this guy was cloning threads or repeating himself, that is questionable but i agree with the basic point of the thread.
woa woa woa...slow down a bit here....if i were to use the term hardworking in comparing NFL guys....its not comparing terrel owens work ethic to a high school football players work ethic...obviously its all relative...and if you think there is no differance in work ethics amongst various nfl guys youre crazy..letas keep it in a jet realm....do you think there was a difference in work ethic between keyshawn and chrebet?? a difference between curtis martin and justin mc careins? you have to judge NFL'ers against other NFL'ers
Some teams don't prefer Mangini Guys 1) Oakland Raiders - A franchise built on the image of Al Davis, looks for the High Profile, Colorful, Home-Run Talent that is personified by a Randy Moss or Lyle Alzado. I don't care if he's a quiter, get me Kerry Collins. 2) Dallas Cowboys - The NY Yankees of football (and yes I said and I AM a Yankee Fan). They feel they can bring in anyone, (ie TO, Neon Deion) and they can make it work for them. Right or wrong, who knows but they would coax a player out of retirement if they thought it would help. Talent above all else, they deal with the rest later. 3) Miami Dolphins - Zach Thomas is the ultimate Mangini Guy, Dan Marino was not a Mangini Guy. That team lived and died by Dan for years. If only they would become more balanced the experts said for years. Jets fans we know the truth, it was always about Dan, he wasn't gonna take a back seat to a running game. This stuff above is not bound by statistical fact, but you can see what I'm getting at, and that is that every team - owner, GM and coach has an idea of what they need to do to build a winning NFL program and they do have different priorities.
The clip below is from an ESPN story yesterday on Belichick's speech at Southern Connecticut U. recently. I hate Belichick like many on the board, but you have to respect his results with the Pats. I hate to say that. Really. There's no gaurantees w/Mangini. He could be another Belichick, he might not be. He could be the "Cleveland Browns" Belichick. Hopefully this excerpt illustrates, beyond a couple of statements about "hardworking, selfless, smart, etc.," what type of player that EM will be looking for as he builds the Jets. "He went into how all you have is your name and reputation, and how your reputation is earned. He talked about life in the NFL and how it was B.C. -- "before cell phones" (Belichick humor). What he emphasized the most was how to get people working together as a team. He knew that this would have some cross-market appeal. He talked about the Pats' rookies a few years ago, and how a few of them had a problem getting to meetings on time. So he moved their meetings up an hour, from 8:30 to 7:30, until the entire rookie class could get there on time. It went until the meetings started at 5 a.m. "That was the crossroads," Belichick said. He continued on the point of making everyone accountable, telling the story from training camp 2004, when an exhausted Matt Light said, "Hey, Coach. I was just thinking if we had the night off, we'll practice a lot better tomorrow." Belichick responded, "Light, look, it doesn't really work that way. You don't get something for nothing." "What do we have to do?" Light asked. Belichick told him that he'd have to catch a punt. Field it cleanly, he said, and everyone has the night off. Drop it, and everyone runs 20 extra sprints. Light caught it. "There was some real team bonding there," Belichick told the audience. "That might have been the single happiest moment of the entire season." And remember, the Pats won the Super Bowl that year. He then cited players on the Pats who are examples of the type of player he wants, and for the audience, the type of person they might want in their work environment. Guys like Troy Brown. Mike Vrabel. Tom Brady. You want guys who take control of their work environment naturally, guys who serve as lower-level management. And finally, if you preach all this team stuff, you have to believe it. Belichick talked about his discussion with an NFL official before the 2002 Super Bowl in New Orleans. The coach was asked which side -- offense or defense -- he wanted introduced. Belichick told him they'd be coming out as a team. The NFL official pressed again that every minute of the Super Bowl is choreographed -- "Guess they missed that the following year during the Janet Jackson show," Belichick deadpanned to the audience -- and that he needed to know which side to announce. "You can announce whichever side you want," Belichick said, "but we're coming out as a team." He then offered that team, and that 20-17 upset of the Rams, as the best example of teamwork he'd ever been around.
Just curious, how do you know the difference between curtis martin and justin mccareins's work ethic? Have you ever seen him practice? Do you know some insider information? Because I would love to be enlightened if you do. And as for people critisizing me for copying my post from another thread to start its own, have you noticed that I have gotten 3 pages of respose and started the most interesting debate on this board in the past week?:up:
if you want to pull the "how do you know what goes on" card..then anything ever said on this board is a complete waste of time....i think its fair to say that we all kinda agree if we hear something a million times..from coaches,gm's reporters,ex-players and even current players we have no choice but to accept it.....have you not haerd a million times about curtis' work ethic both during the season and during the off-season...the running up the stairs the climbing mountains....the running the ball 30 times when he could barely walk....mccareins was just an arbitrary player but if you wanna look at him...granted he had some injuries last year but did it appear to you that he gave 100% last year...did santana moss appear to be giving 100% two years ago when he stepped outta bounds on every punt he caught???i mean is yuor argument that everyone in the NFL has the same work ethic????thast simply crazy my friend....we all can look at keyshawn vs. chrebet and see that key had more god given talent no???so how do you suppose wayne chrebet is not only lined up next to him but in a lot of seasons performing better???simple dude,more effort....does anyone else agree with me here or am i crazy??-
I hear you "d" -- well said, and I agree. In a day and age when even FA rookies can make north of $150k/year (and feed the family without needing a second job, Latrell!), all players should be swinging toward the Curtis side of the pendulum and not the "McCareins" side (insert a player of your choice whose work ethic is subpar, I don't know if McCareins' is or not).
Ever take one of these tests when you were a kid: "All football players wear helmets... The boy is wearing a helmet... is the boy a football player?" The comment was saying that not all players with no talent are automatically "Character guys"-- as many on here seem to think when we sign a backup. Nobody said that if you are a "Character guy" that you automatically have no talent- I would have to assume you got that question wrong as a kid. Regarding the media-- this is all you hear about with the pats-- that they are Team, and not individuals, and they sacrafice and nobody is above the team-- its all BS. It really is. But again- you have my point wrong in regards to the pats and their Chemistry/Talent. I think they had more talent than anyone else in football, and the best coaching staff before it was broken up. That is why they won SB's-- not because they had "character guys" as backups.
Name one coach who ever said he wants guys who don't work hard, hate football and will do whatever it takes to lose..... I thought Mangini has hit every cliche in the book. I loved when he said I want players who play for the name on the front of the jersey, not for the name on the back..... until I remembered Herman Edwards used the same cliche in his KC introductory news conference.
Please....stop with the noob part. You come on here and start trashing people that make comments that a player is a Mangini type player. What if a poster said hes a BB type player..or a Parcells type player...would that sit ok with you? Of course it would. When someone says that around here, its comparing the type of player that New England goes for. You just get "FED UP" with people saying hes a Mangini type player? Like...really mad about it? Really really really pissed off? Throwing stuff mad? Go rent a movie, make some popcorn, snuggle up with yourself and chill out.
Herm Edwards. Oh...you said that one already. See...heres what your missing Mr. Sunshine....when Mangini says it..he means it...when Herm says it...he then pats the nice football player on the butt and tells him to take a practice off....if he really screws up Herm may even wink at him.
