"Making a Murderer" on Netflix

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  1. twown

    twown Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I watched it from start to finish.

    Have a pleasant Sunday. Go Jets.
     
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    NYJalltheway Well-Known Member

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    You're right, no need to whine to each other over different opinion on something without a sure fact.

    Go Jets indeed.

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    Want to watch a doc about an innocent defendant?

    The Thin Blue Line.
    Murder on a Sunday Morning. (so underrated)
    Paradise Lost series
    Frontline: The Confessions
    An Unreal Dream
    The Trials of Darryl Hunt

    And many more.

    But NOT
    Making a Murderer (except for Dassey, of course)
    The Staircase (Michael Peterson)
    False Witness (Jeffrey MacDonald)

    In my humble opinion.
     
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    Thanks for the recommendations. I'll have to give those a shot. For now I'm finally going to bed. 3rd shift life.

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  5. Walt White

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    Never got around to either one. But I'll watch TBL for sure now before they drop it.

    I had saved Fog Of War on Amazon not making the connection, and will watch for the others too.
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Did you investigate this case specifically? I appreciate the accolades and knowledge you may possess, but you seem to have a concrete opinion on something because of your prior experience, when you merely have the same information everyone else has. You're entitled to your opinion though, and I wouldn't completely put it past Avery committing the murder. But I don't think it's fair to say that someone else committing the crime is unreasonable.

    Dassey's brother and stepfather should have been investigated much deeper when they used each other as an alibi and they didn't match up. It's like that was completely dismissed despite it not making sense.

    One thing I believe we can all agree on is how Len Kachinsky is a massive scumbag and did Brendan Dassey dirty. I wonder what the true motivation behind it was, payout & pressure from the county and police department?
     
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  7. twown

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    No, I did not investigate this case any more than you did. (Except for reading that book, The Innocent Killer. And I've read a couple of articles that illuminate some things that Making a Murderer conveniently omitted. Because that film, imo, IS biased toward Avery's innocence.)

    But I also didn't prejudge this case based on anything that I experienced before. I only gradually evaluated Avery's guilt as the film unfolded, like any other viewer. We all like to think we're capable of objectively evaluating a situation based on the information we get, and I'm no different. When I see a well-made film that exposes the wrongful conviction of an innocent person (like those I listed above), I weep for justice like anyone else. What happened to Dassey was awful. Tragic.

    But Steven Avery? I'm not saying he's 110% guilty. I'm saying that Avery killing her MAKES SENSE. It's weird, but it's not absurd.

    On the contrary, no other possible scenario makes any sense at all. I mean, I'm listening. But I can't think of anything, and I haven't heard anything that even approaches the realm of credibility. Imo, the scenario with someone else killing her, with no apparent motive, and then the cops discovering her body and immediately, brilliantly, and evilly framing him (risking their own careers and freedom), is beyond Hollywood. It's simply not plausible.
     
  8. Walt White

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    I agree
     
  9. Jonathan_Vilma

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    I mean, there is such thing as murders without a clear-cut motive. I'm not implying that the police killed her, but I think they certainly planted evidence to ensure a guilty conviction. They cleared the property for 8 days, and didn't discover the key (which did not even contain her DNA, only Steven's) for several days of searching the house. How is it that a key that she used most likely thousands of times, didn't contain any of her DNA, and there was no trace of blood or any sort of DNA, hair follicles, etc. in the house where the murder occurred?

    I enjoy these debates, and I think we're going to one day truly find out what happened. I feel terrible for the family,in not knowing what really happened to their daughter, sister and friend. Halbach's brother seemed awfully sketchy throughout this entire thing too.
     

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