Mahomes without his 2 best OL

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  1. Kryoptix

    Kryoptix Well-Known Member

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    I watched all his games.

    Great long ball, amazing runner. Poor to adjust his read and way way too slow to release the ball. I like his drive and competitiveness but replecating his success at Ohio to the NFL would be a pretty large task. I do think if he play in system focusing very heavily on the run like the Ravens did with Jackson he could succeed in the NFL. Not if you ask him to play in a Shanahan offense.
     
  2. bicketybam

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    I'm not so sure. Mahomes was only sacked 3 times and made some really incrwsible throws while running for his life. Darnold would have been sacked a ton because he never knows when to throw the ball away.


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  3. Footballgod214

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    but thats what I mean.....Mahomes couldn't handle the pressure and only got off 3 crazy throws while lying on his back. Sam would have been fine with the pressure...it's what he deals with every snap for the last 3 years. Sam woulda zigged and zagged, then spun around 180 degrees, then throw a pass across his body for 40 yards and a TD.
     
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    After watching how bad Mahomes played last night behind a suspect oline, if we had the chance to bring Mahomes in here with our line we should just keep Sam...hes better at it
     
  5. Jonathan_Vilma

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    He's a passer first and a runner second. He averages 39 rushing yards per game. He's a good athlete but he's not a running quarterback by trade like Jackson was in college.

    Comparatively, Jackson rushed for 108 yards per game at Louisville.
     
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  6. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Lol. Is this for real?
     
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    Not sure if you're joking or not but Mahomes had more yards yesterday than Sam had in any game all year.
     
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  8. HomeoftheJets

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    I've always imagined the account to be a dumb blonde joke.
     
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  9. Jedi mind tricks

    Jedi mind tricks Well-Known Member

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    Sam had an avg o line this year and was the worst starter. This believe that he will improve the better our line gets just isn't true.
     
  10. SoylentGreen

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    Sam may have been the worst starter but to be fair
    PFF had their Oline ranked 29th. I mean it is an improvement from 32nd last year, but still far from average.
     
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  11. nyjetsgreen

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    Yes he is a Diva and another Meshawn he is being paid 150 million to be the QB. If he didn't like the organization he should have never signed but as soon as he was offered the money he signed now he is obligated to play his 4 years. He is not the owner or GM he is the player he doesn't get to decide who coaches him even Brett Farve said that. What happens if he comes here and the Jets can't build him roster he wants does he demand to be traded a year later or hold out dont need another Jamal Meshawn especially at QB.
     
  12. Footballgod214

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    Yes. Mahomes was seeing ghosts.
     
  13. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Except he wasn't because he was running away from the rush and trying to make plays rather than letting it swallow him up.

    "Seeing ghosts" was Sam referring to not having any idea who was coming and who was dropping and seeing the wrong picture.

    But that's not what I was referring to.

    And you do understand this is a direct comparison to what happened to Mahomes right?
     
  14. BroadwayAaron

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    It’s insane how we are this far into it and people STILL don’t understand the Watson situation. And I’m not sure I’d be using Brett Favre as the example here... he got rightfully annihilated for saying what he said.
     
  15. Jonathan_Vilma

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    People can understand the situation just fine and still believe that he's being unreasonable. He signed on with the organization and wants to renege on that contract because things have changed and handshake promises seem to have been broken.

    Brett Favre only got dragged through the mud for his comments because he was the retirement king. So it makes him look hypocritical. But perhaps Brett is coming from a place of wishing he didn't do all of that and just played through his deal without fucking with the organization every other year?

    Not everyone needs to side with the player all the time, you know?
     
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  16. SoylentGreen

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    He had a hurt toe, his line was the worst in the history of the league, his coach had a bad game plan and all his wr/te’s were bad too...

    In actuality, the Bucs did to KC what every team does to the Jets. They blanketed in coverage, and Bowles took away Mahomes first option on every play... the bucs had too much team speed on defense so Mahomes usual adlib/playground style didn’t work...

    Mahomes is physically great but showed mental limitations in not being able to audible to better plays. Is that him, his coaching... who knows... I sort of think it was arrogance on both their sides, limitations of the air raid offense they are employing + maybe they learn something for go forward.

    If this is Brady (Brees or Peyton Manning) on the other side of the ball, they are making in game adjustments, controlling the clock and making this a closer game.

    I know this is going to butt hurt the Mahomes GOAT crowd... but take a step back and realize this is the first time he’s faced adversity and he bombed and had the same deer in the headlights look we see Sam have.

    This guy is ultra talented but would he an absolute disaster in a Gase (inflexible - Peyton Manning) offense...
     
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  17. BroadwayAaron

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    The casual nature in which you can just write off a player being upset that the person he signed a contract with went back on their word is why we just won't ever agree. And that's fine.

    And Favre doesn't have any regret for the way he handled things. If he did he wouldn't have prefaced it all with "it's a different day and time". Also if you're going to throw a friggen boulder while sitting in a glass house, maybe you should clarify that you are well aware how it comes off and that you regret how you handled the situation when you were put in it.

    Also the last time a star player wanted out in the NFL, I sided with the team. And it worked out considering what we got back for him.
     
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  18. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Oh no. Someone's boss said one thing and did a other. No I don't feel any sympathy for him. It happens four million times a day in the real world. And 3,999,900 people just sigh and move on. Others leave their jobs. Deshaun Watson has every right to try to do what he's doing. But that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it.

    I also think there's a fine line between being involved in a process and listening to input, and not ultimately accepting that input.

    I'm not sure whether they ultimately asked him what he thought or not. Of course for leverage the Watson camp will say they did not. But do you think it's possible that they asked him and went a different direction? Because it certainly sounds like that.

    He wanted this or that GM and coach. They hired differently. He's mad about that. And he didn't get to choose his bosses (which is bizarre even for the NFL).
     
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  19. Royal Tee

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    I don't think it's a Blame. It's drawing correlations that are JUSTIFIED.
    Yes, I'm of the camp D wins Championships and IMO THAT was the deciding factor but no way in hell if they have their full starting o-line do the Bucs have as much ease rushing the same 4 only. No way.
    They were allowed to rush four most of the game and I think I read that it was the lowest Bowles has blitzed all season...
    .... AND let's remember, this has been the strategy that beat Brady in the SB every time.
     
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  20. bicketybam

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    I just don't think the missing tackles were the only reason they lost. TB could have hung 40+ on KC. KC's defense was overmatched. KC definitely scores more with their tackles but I don't think it would have been enough. I just don't like the notion that it was the only reason TB won.

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