Nugent missed an extra point and 2 makeable field goals week 1. We won our last playoff game on a blown FG and lost our last playoff game on two blown FG. I find it funny that you of all people are killing the HC for not putting the "automatic" points on the board.
you would admiot the chances are alot greater getting 3 pts in that situationt han 6, right? if that's the thinking then why not gor for 2 instead of kicking PATs? It's a 21 yd Fg, if our K doesn't make it we don't deserve to win. The SD game was shouldn't have been in OT if barton doesn't get the dumb penalty.
What does Barton getting that dumb penalty have to do with it? the guy makes the kick we lose. If we make the kick on 4th it doesn't mean that we get OT with the Colts either. If they are up 4 maybe they squib kick instead of kicking off? I would up 4 knowing a FG doesn't beat us. Maybe the Colts play the series they kicked the FG on differently? I agree the % move is going for the FG. That said it wasn't that play that lost us that game it was the failure of the D to make a play or the special teams to field a squib kick on the first hop.
peopl act like we won b/c we got lucky a Kicker missed well our kikcer missed a 32 yarder earlier in the game and we got the dumb penatly or the game never gets to OT. If we kick it on sunday it doesn't mean we win or go to OT against the colts but the chances were better. If up 4 they squib kick it that might have worke dout better for us. they weren't stopping our pass O, heck if we didn't burn 2 TOs and I think we would have tied it anyway even starting at the 2. That decision didn't cost us the game but it was a huge part of why we lost along w/ the suspect play calling on offense all day long.
How very true. I think they brought it out to the 20 for them. But, still they went right down the field.
Too many to name with Herm, junc. Most notably the home Buffalo game in 2001, where we ran out of time inside the 10 vs a 3-13 team and lost the division to New England by a game. NE ended up with the home game vs Oakland in the snow instead of the Jets, who had to travel to Oakland. NE went on to win three Super Bowls, but aside from that no big deal, right? There was the Raven game in 2004 with Quincy at QB where we blew the clock too and lost the game. Right off the top of my head. Basically, any time Chad wasn't in there to manage the clock for Herm we would typically have only 1 or 2 TOs left at the end of each half of every game. And I liked Herm, but those were the facts. Sunday, we took a TO on a critical 3rd and goal, where the play determines points, so I can live with that one. One of the first things I've noticed about this coaching staff is that we've had our TOs at the end when we've needed them for the most part. And they managed to fake Indy out and run them out of TOs too, which wins the game for us if we get the ball back at all in the 4th. Our KO return actually took away the chance to do that.
We didn't end the game on the 10 yd line and we needed to use our Tos just to get the ball back. The only reason we had a chance was b/c buf had a bad snap on the punt and we recovered and had a shot to score but we had to use Tos to even get that chance. We had a TO and Quincy blew it by calling the last one when he didn't have to. That wasn't the coaches fault and it didn't kill us anyway as we still tied the game. Again please name me the games where it came back to kill us. you can live w/ that one? we took a To and ran the same play we did the play before and wound up not getting a point on the drive so not only did we blow it by going for it but we also lost a TO. The first time we really needed them we didn't have them and that was on sunday.
The bottom line for me is that Mangini made a bold move and it backfired. I can understand his reasoning and while I probably would've gone for the FG because it puts you in the lead and Manning wasn't lighting things up to that point. That being said, the D needed to come up with any sort of stop on two long drives that they let happen with ease. As for the Herm thing, the only thing I would say is that if Herm had gone for the TD he would be roasted beyond belief right now. Same with the TO issue. I won't say much else because it's all been said before but I stick by my belief that many people judged and still judge Herm with a different standard. Before people get the wrong idea, I think if people want to jump on Mangini for the call that's fine, but whatever your side of the issue is the fact remains that if you're aggressive and it works you look like a genius, if it fails you look like a fool. Can't have it both ways and you just have to hope that you succeed more times then you fail.
The game ended with Vinny completing a pass to Curtis over the middle and the Jets unable to get the FG team on the field with the clock running out. And Curtis was right about at the 10. I sit 20 rows above that goal line and it happened right in front of me, it's burned in. I blame Vinny, I blame Hackett and I blame Herm. Inexcusable to end the game with the clock running out, unable to get a play off. According to Herm it wasn't the coach's fault. He threw Quincy under the bus on that one. I don't remember if that was before or after he hired Dick Curl to manage the clock for him. I evaluate a timeout by how important the play is at the time you call it. Timeouts don't guarantee the result, but at least you put your best effort out there by talking it over. The first timeout we used was 3rd and goal for us and the other was with the Colts near our goal line in the final minute of the game. Both were plays with points on the line so the timeouts were justified. Not like the ones we took under Herm, on 1st and 10 at the 40 because we couldn't get the plays in in time. Every game we've played has been close and this is the first game we took any timeouts before the 2:00 warning. The second one we took was in the final 2:00 with the Colts inside our 5. BTW, junc, please get that sissy-boy out of your avatar. I liked the cartoon monkey the best. :grin:
Am I reading this right? Is junc actually DEFENDING Herm's clock management skills? The same lack of clock management skills that just about every reporter mentions when talking about Herm's career so far?
No. We know the defense isnt doing it, and against Indy, you sort of half way expect it. Be mad at Brandon Moore for blowing the block. Had he been able to hold on to it for two seconds, Pennington WALKS in.
It was a stupid play but we HAD to use our timeouts to get the ball back, I sked you to post games in which we lost b/c we blew a TO and didn't have one at the end of a game. We didn't blow TOs in that game, we HAD to use them. both were bad TOs, we should have been prepared and the fact that abd things happened after make it that much worse. this was the first game we had the ball in the final mins w/ a chance to win, the two wins we had leads and were holding on and the NE game we never got the ball back w/ enough time to tie the game. Show some respect for the 2006-07 National Player of the year and member of the '06-'07 NCAA Champs:grin: i am saying blown Tos never cost us and yes I dod efende the clock mgmt of the previous regime. I think alot of it was a media creation, he struggled mightily his first year but after that he wasn't bad but every time we didn't succeed in a 2 mij situation it was always made out to be poor clock mgmt instead of poor execution. Don't confuse that statment w/ me saying he was good w/ clock mgmt b/c obviously he wasn't but not as bad as people made it out to be. this staff had done a great job UNTIL this past week's game where lack of Tos cost us any shot to tie the game.
no, that was the play before so in essence we had 2 TOs used there and we still came up w/ the last 2 crappy play calls.
