Looking towards Next Year

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  1. PabloJa

    PabloJa Well-Known Member

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    You should read the news a bit before posting, Rivers is going nowhere, buddy.
     
  2. pdxdrew

    pdxdrew Well-Known Member

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    Macc has an even bigger task this off season. The core of the team has to get younger while trying to improve at certain skill positions. The OL and LB is in dire need of youth. Macc wants to pick BPA and that's good and all but if we don't pick up two quality replacement OL this year.... a lot will depend on who they resign.

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  3. Zach

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    1. On DL: I tend to think Wilkerson will be kept. It's rather imperative that Wilkerson and Richardson are playing together next year. I do value Harrison highly, but if his price tag is too high, he'd have to find work elsewhere. Deon Simon will have to step up; and he's not that bad of a run stopper. Just he isn't much of a pass rushing threat. Just like Damon Harrison never was. BUT the key here is Wilkerson and Richardson stays. These two are the engine that keeps this defense going.

    2. LBs. Holy shit - where do I begin? For the last time, WE NEED MORE SPEED. And yeah. Youth. ILB and OLB can use some new talents - and they need it badly. Unless Erin can show me he can be a 3-down ILB, I'd be looking at the draft. Oh yes - Erin Henderson must be kept. Demario Davis should also be kept, but as a backup. [You can never have enough quality backup anyway.] As for OLB, Jets need a big, imposing OLB with speed - and Jets need one real bad. Probably this is one of the positions to spend high pick on.

    3. Secondary: Cro can walk. If Milliner can't stay healthy, he will be walking in due time. [Thanks, Idzik. Go fuck yourself.] And Dexter WHO? [Is that guy any good? I didn't see much of him anyway. All thanks to Mighty Idzik.] Darrin Walls should be kept, I'd think. Also, a few draft picks here in the mid to late round couldn't hurt. Also - the production dropped steeply when Calvin went out with injury, so having a good backup at SS spot would be a very good investment.

    4. OL: FIX THE RIGHT SIDE! Jets can't replace both RG and RT so one of them will have to come through the FA.

    5. RB: Jets will need someone to take over Chris Ivory. Ivory is going to be 30 next year. [Yeah. That age.] If good ones are available in the draft, they should snag one. [Preferably before 4th however.]

    6. Receivers: Jets must draft a tall, physical receiver in the mold of Brandon Marshall - Petty will love that investment more than anybody. I will reserve my opinion on Amaro for now, as he wasn't even able to get on to the field this year. Having a good, physical TE can't hurt however...

    7. And now QB: Fitzpatrick should return, but at a reasonable price.

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    All in all, Macc has his job cut out for him. Let's see how he handles this off season. I just hope he does just as good of a job as he did last summer.
     
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  4. Mogriffjr

    Mogriffjr Well-Known Member

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    This whole team needs an infusion of speed.

    Of course bring back Mo Wilk, try to see if you can bring back snacks. Fitz, give him a 2-3 year contract...he played well.

    LB corps, Harris stays and you can bring back Henderson. But otherwise, bye to Pace, DD. Get some speed at the LB position! Not only is it needed on the base defense but you need guys who can get down the field on ST's...none of the LB's were really good on specials. Mauldin, groom him to be the pass rushing guy and go grab another one who can rush the passer.

    Corner, Revis stays, tell him to shed some weight because he has to get quicker to run with these boys, or else he's gonna be playing off a lot of guys. Have Marcus be the #2...Cromartie, seeya. Walls you can come back and McDougle...give him another chance here. Millner will be back, I believe his contract is still quite hefty...put that mf'er in bubble wrap and hope he can contribute next year. Grab a vet corner or someone u like in FA.

    Safeties, I like them. Pryor is the cornerstone of this new secondary. Gilly was solid. AA, bring him back and have him be the #3 safety along with Miles.

    On offense, let Ivory walk...it likely won't be popular but he's often injured, and you can't rely on someone who's essentially a 2 down RB...he's rarely in on passing downs because he's not trusted as a pass blocker...and isn't a true reliable 3rd down back. Bring back Powell, go find a RB in the 3rd or 4th round who can run north and south, put his foot in the dirt and GO.

    At WR, since Kerley isn't a fit, cut him. You can bring back Thompkins but he's only a 4th/5th WR to me. Go get a outside guy who can understand the route tree and get open...let's face it, BMarsh and Decker move around more in the slot because they know how to work the defense and understand what the defense gives them. Go get a guy who can be your "outside guy"...someone with speed and can get open. There's a reason they tried to spoon feed Smith at the outside because he's a burner. Hope he can recover from his knee and have him be that guy later in the season.

    Next, I'd keep Enumwa because he has some promise...HOPE Amaro can give you ANYTHING...or else you grab an upgrade who can "block" better than Davis and Cucumber (both should be gone). I'd rather keep Enumwa and let Bohanon go kick rocks...he's bad.

    On the line, bring back Brick on a restructured contract...go get a tackle with your 2nd/3rd round pick who can br groomed to become the LT of the future and likely the starter at RT...Breno is a mean guy but he's rather mediocre at RT.
     
  5. Emacio235

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    Agree with a lot of what's been mentioned. The one exception I will mention is keeping Geno Smith. There is no reason to retain the guy - he had two years and is a proven liability. He has a good arm but the guy is not an NFL-caliber quarterback. Imagine if he hadn't had his jaw broken and actually started this season - who knows when he would have gotten the hook but there's no way we would have started out the season 4-1 with him.
    We don't know what we have with Bryce Petty (he may look good in practice but playing in a game is the measuring stick) but with Geno we have turnovers, a lack of ability to read defenses and general immaturity and an inability to lead. We will do the franchise and Geno Smith a favor by sending him packing - he could have a decent future up in Canada. Just please get rid of the guy already.
     
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  6. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    Looking at http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets I believe the following players will be cut or restructured:

    Ferguson - 10.3M saved if they cut him after June 1
    Cromartie - 8M saved if they cut Cro (no dead money)
    Folk - 2.7M saved if cut after June 1
    Kerley - 2.5M saved if cut after June 1
    Cumberland - 1.9M saved if cut (no dead money)
     
  7. Quinnenthebeast

    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    I am kind of hoping we cut Ferguson and land him as a free agent, kind of what we did for Brandon Moore. Ferguson simply isn't worth what we are currently making him.
     
  8. Mogriffjr

    Mogriffjr Well-Known Member

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    Agree with all of this...

    I feel Ferguson will restructure...he's still a rock solid LT...but not worth that type of money.
     
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  9. PulseJet

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    Offense
    QB: Fitz will get a nice 2 year deal, Geno will be in camp but depending on Petty's progression will likely not be on the 53 man roster. I think Petty will progress enough to be the backup (can he be sitting at home during games his second year?) Geno will be the odd man out and will be traded/released. Jets will draft a late round QB development project. I'd like to see Hogan from Stanford come in.
    RB: The running game was very unreliable the entire second half of the year. They need to let Ivory walk and use a high draft pick on a RB. I wouldnt mind if they picked the RB at #20, maybe Elliot or Henry will be there when the Jets pick. Keep Powell and see if he can stay healthy.
    WR: Kerley is obviously out. Need a PR when he goes. They need a solid third option at WR, and should look to draft one in the first 4 rounds. Thompkins was a decent number 4 and Devin Smith is a bust. Sorry Buckeye fans.
    TE/HBack: Enunwa, Amaro, Sudfeld. Bye Bye Cumby and Davis...
    OL: Restructure Brick, but the first 3 rounds you need a new tackle to replace him. Look to upgrade Breno. Dakota Dozier, Wes Johnson, Brent Qvale, Ben Iljana, Jarvis Harrison.... Any of you guys ready to step up? Thats alot of roster spots taken to never see the field if they arent true prospects.

    Defense:
    DL: Tag Wilk. Try to keep Snacks. You will need them at the beginning of the year as Richardson will likely miss a few games because he's a dumbass.
    LB: The weakest spot on the team. Nuke Demario Davis. I cant stand his stupid dance the 1-2 times a game he makes a play. Need to target LB's in free agency and the draft.
    DB's Later Cro. Elevate Marcus Williams to no 2. The secondary is the toughest decision Mac has to make, because he potentially has enough talent there but they are all wounded. Millner, Antonio Allen, Jaiquan Jarrett are all quality depth if they can stay healthy. Big question mark.
     
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  10. JetLifeLo

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    I think Ivory wouldve ran us to victory had he been used. I dont even think ivory will be expensive...bring him back for at least one more year. Same for Bilal

    Snacks can go.. No need to drop 30-40 mill to a 2 down player.

    Demario some ass... bye.

    AA is cool.. i think somebody will offer him more than he will get offered here though..

    Quiley, Colo, Pace, Thompkins and all those other old depth scrubs can go as well none of them are extension worthy unless its a one year deal
     
  11. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    He's been a rock for the Jets for years, hence the high cap hit number. He can still play but certainly should no longer be receiving the compensation he's been getting.

    It would be nice if he was able to re-sign or re-structure and have him retire as a "full" Jet. I just don't see the Jets getting him back if they cut him.

    Keep this in mind though, he and his family have been in the area for such a long time, I doubt he will want to play for another team far away. Look for a "local" team to get him if not the Jets.
     
  12. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    Millner is a 4M cap hit with no cap savings if cut. He's still on his rookie contract and has no incentive to restructure if the team asks him. He will be healthy next year and will have to prove himself valuable if he wants to stay in the league.

    Enunwa is a no brainer. He's costing the team league minimum. He may be converted to a TE.

    Also, Zach Sudfeld is coming back and he is a better pass catcher than anyone on the active roster. Hopefully him and Amaro can bring some production at the position.

    As for RB. Keep Bilal, let Ivory walk.


    I think the key to the off season will finally be addressing the LB position. The team needs guys with closing speed. Yesterday's game is a prime example. The Jets' secondary was playing 10 yards off Watkins. Salas and Watkins thrived on the underneath passes because none of the LBs could close in to make a play on the ball. This same rationale also applies to the Patriots and Gronk. If we take away the long ball (which we excel at), we get picked apart with the underneath passes.

    If you get LBs who can cover, generally you are doing this to gain speed at the cost of size. The LBs who are sizable AND fast are the ones getting paid the big bucks. The team will not be able to get more than 1 of these types of players in FA. They most likely will need to strike gold in the draft but the key here will be to not compromise the stout rushing defense. This will be a huge test for Mac.
     
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  13. JetBlue

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    Next year is a rebuilding year.

    We need to find a long term QB, RB, LB, a corner, some OL replacements. And it all isn't likely happening this off season. Hopefully Bowles can keep us competitive for the next few years because it's going to get worse before it gets better.

    Bringing Fitz back doesn't help us; either we play Petty and see what he has or we find a QB elsewhere and start his development. Thinking Fitz is going to perform at this level again is delusional and playing him again only sets us back a year.
     
  14. Quinnenthebeast

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    Dude this is the team that has seen terrible QB play for the about the past decade and we are going to get rid of Fitz who is at least decent? Putting the season on Petty or getting a Kaepernick-type free agent really isn't a sound strategy. I say we keep Fitz until we find someone else who is definitely better. I had mentioned in another thread, why not draft another QB (doesn't have to be in the early rounds) and let him compete for the backup spot with Petty?
     
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  15. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    A QB with more talent is not going to gel with Marshall and Decker the way Fitz has. This was an uncanny bond the WRs built with Fitz and it is special.

    With this in mind, Fitzpatrick absolutely earned the right to drive the ship for the next season and probably deserves a 2 year deal. But remember he is 30something and takes hits. I agree, we need to have Petty game ready so he can be the number 2 in the event Fitz is injured. The Jets absolutely need to draft another QB in this draft in hopes to find a franchise type player.
     
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    The history of the NFL is littered with bad QBs that have had one good year. Desperate, poorly run organizations delude themselves into believing all the bad years leading up to then were the exceptions and the single good season they just had is the norm that should be expected going forward.

    We got that one good season out of him. Be thankful and start developing the position for the future and hopefully success. Fitz back for another year does not progress this team.
     
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  17. Mogriffjr

    Mogriffjr Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it sets the Jets back a year...

    You have Petty who some in the organization may feel is the heir apparent to the QB position. If they feel so, they'll drop Geno, give Fitz a 2-3 year deal (out clause in there somewhere after 2 years or something to that effect) and continue to develop Petty. Let's face it, Fitz had a GOOD year and he deserves to come back...he's been at the helm of one of the more prolific Jet offenses in this team's history. Now, build pieces to keep the offense at a high level IE improve the TE position. Get a RB in here to replace an Ivory. Go get a tackle or two to become the base of this offensive line for years to come.

    Most of this offense will be back next year besides what they do at RB and possibly one of the tackles being gone. Don't mess with what worked...IMPROVE it.
     
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    Agreed... Marshall, Fitz and Deck gelled as the season progressed. Lets see what they do with another year and some more weapons, like a game breaking RB. You'd be crazy to drop a QB with nearly 4000 yards passing and 31 TD's and gets the ball to his receivers. Marshall at 31 years old had a career year with Fitz, and Deck had over +1,000 yards receiving, which was comparable to his best years in Denver.
     
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  19. PulseJet

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    Do the Jets go after Alshon Jeffrey in Free Agency? That would solve the WR 3 issue and give the Jets the best WR trio in the league.
    http://dawindycity.com/2016/01/04/report-alshon-jeffery-unhappy-with-the-chicago-bears/
     
  20. WhySoSerious488

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    I understand this line of thinking, but I think the team has to reload and try again with the same core for next season (at least). We came too close to scrap and rebuild. Find a way to get to 11-5 instead of 10-6, and expect another wide open AFC. Really, the AFC is in a bit of a transition with Peyton likely to retire, Luck taking a big step back, and other playoff teams with shaky QB situations. I think you have to try one more season with this group. If next year does not yield a playoff spot (and run), then you rebuild.
     

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