I would trade down for Gholston. I know everybody wants a deal with Dallas for their first rounders, but they are so low it isn't close to our picks value. If worst came to worst I would accept a little less value to move back to 10-15 for a second and a next year third. That's close enough in terms of value. If it's a next year second and a third, NO Deal!!!
That would be amazing... But of course, Mr Mangini would never dream of assembling such a sweet front 7.... 3-4 or bust! :sad:
Dorsey. He can play in a 3-4. Its silly to say otherwise. If not Jake Long and move Brick to RT(I think he would be a better RT anyway, plus you upgrade 2 positions with 1 move.)
Where has the Jets run game gone since Kareem McKenzie left? RT is one of our biggest needs, and Long is probably better value than gholston at that point.
I still take Dorsey in this case it's a no brainer, he is the best guy left available He is the best NT in the draft. This would allow us to mix in lots of 4-3 and really rotate at the DT position. Or go D-rob and Dorsey at end, and Pouha/ FA at the DT spot in a 3-4 with Coleman and Ellis as our Backups, just sign a big OLB rush guy such as Suggs and our D just got upgraded, go OL in round 2.... and we are at worst, moving in the right direction...
Dorseys so talented, its hard as a fan to say that the team should pass him up. Still, somehow I think the Jets will; my impression of him is that hes a one-gap type of guy, not suited for what the Jets are trying to do. We'd end up with another, more talented Dewayne Robertson, a guy whos entire skill set is geared towards a style of line play that we simply aren't using. Its been bad enough watching Robertson adjust, I dont want to watch another talented linemen struggle through that. If Long is gone, Ghoulston sounds to me like a good option. I don't think theres any conceivable doubt that the main thing this team needs to add before week one next year is somebody who can bring a pass rush. Long could do it from the DE spot; if Dorsey is actually a fit at 3-4 DE in terms of playing the run, he could absolutely provide pass rush as well as Long could. But Ghoulston seems like a sure bet as a pass rushing OLB. I don't see Jake Long in the picture. They drafted Brick two years ago, and knew it might take him a bit to grow into the role of a dominating left tackle, and he's made a lot of progress. I don't think you can spend a top five pick on a right tackle who is more suited to playing the left side. And regardless of whether or not Clemens is the real deal, I don't even want to think about spending a top draft pick on a quarterback this year.
What?! Brick would not make a better RT? Brick is much more athletic than Long and is a much better pass blocker, but is an average run blocker, which is why you want him protecting the QBs blind side. Long would make a better RT but he's still good enough to play LT. RT isn't an important enough of a position to take with a top 5 pick, we could take Gosder Cherilus at the top of the second who is a great run blocker and would be a solid RT for years, I'd rather have a game changing pass rusher with Gholston, even if he is a bit of a reach. (although I think Gholston's stock will sky rocket after the combine)
I don't want to hear about RT not being important enough for a top 5 pick. If Gholston is a big reach, you take best value especially when it is a big need. RT is a very important position for this team right now. What "important" position is still a value pick at that point and not a reach? If Gholstons stock rises, that's another story.
Vernon Gholston, without a doubt. I would not mind reaching for him at all. Draft a Left Guard and a WR for down the road with our second and thirds and I'm happy with the draft. Maybe Red Bryant if we can pick up some extra picks. Free agent pickup of a RG and throw Bender at RT (we need a run blocker there and who knows how well he will have progressed with his pass blocking by next year?) and our team is more than fine going into next year. Whoops, tangent there. So like I said, Gholston, hoping he declares.
After signing one or two of Tommy Kelly, Randy Starks, Albert Haynesworth, or Karlos Dansby (ILB)...which I hope/think/pray we do...we definitely go Gholston. He's a better DE/OLB prospect than Long is a 3-4 prospect anyway. We need a pass rusher, and if we sign Dansby and had a BT/Harris/Dansby/Gholston LB corps I think I'd be happy.
That's your opinion. Mel Kiper has him listed as #2 on his big board right now. If BPA is Long, we should take him.
He?s BPA to play LT not to play RT. If we spend the money on maybe Lilya and Starks and pick a Playmaker with that pick. Our OL would probably be as good as it would be with Long, and we got another top player. Drafting Jake Long would be a very stupid move, imo.
I would go between Dorsey, or Gholston. But if McFadden and Long are gone, most likely Dorsey would be as well, so I say Gholston. Ellis has seen better days, and much to overrated. Gholston would be a good fit and backup for Ellis.
People still busy whining about how we changed our dominant 4-3 into a 3-4 make my head hurt. Our...dominant 4-3 that is missing one DT, a pass rushing DE, more than one linebacker who has struggled in the 3-4 but not in the 4-3.... Ignore that the 4-3 is nowhere near as flexible as the 3-4...or that we already line up in the 4-3 sometimes...or that NO 3-4 team is ever all 3-4 all the time (unlike 4-3 teams)...or that it's not easy to pay for 2 4-3 DEs and 2 4-3 DTs...or that our D is now more 3-4 than 4-3 anyway...or that everyone but Vilma either stepped up or didn't show a drop off after the switch...
I was ignorant to the fact that he is a LT. I've read about him being a RT in the NFL, and admittedly have never seen him play. If he's not a RT, then everything I've said in this thread about him is bullshit.
Gholston was my vote - I've never seen him play but if he can bring a consistent pass rush he instantly makes our secondary better. Wow how I'd love to have a pass rush without being cute about it. Gameplanning a pass rush only works 1 out of every 6 weeks it seems.
