um, whos our starting fb now? thats why we need leonard. he would fill the role of fb, big tb, te, an hb. how the hell is that not one of our needs! its 4!
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Saying Leonard is a seventh round pick is to exagerate to the point where it's ridiculous. Saying no third round pick at all instead of drafting Leonard is more so, and is clearly a fishing trip. His versatilty will help some team in the NFL without a doubt. As a FB and a better reciever that say, the Jets had in Askew, and a better pass blocker, as a recieving TE in a two TE set and as an H back, that can fill in on short yardage carries at tail back. He'll be a very good special teamer as well. I think the Jets could use him, but I see several other needs that I think would be better to fill first. He'd be an absolute BAP steal in the fourth round, no question about that. He won't last that long, I figure him to go around 80 to 100 overall. Coaching staffs love guys like Leonard, and for good reason. He can be a second or third string TE, a starting FB, a third string RB that can take the goal line and short yardage carries and be a major contributor on ST's. By himself he can open up a roster spot or two for other players just because of how versatile he is. Aside from that, sometimes players can surprise... I recall Parcells calling the Jets saying he had Kerry Rhodes as his top ST's player in the draft, and he was about to pick him. He turned out to be much more than a ST's stud.
I think he'll be getting more props after the combine. Here he is getting ready ... http://broadband.espn.go.com/ivp/splash?id=2766000
I wouldn't draft him before the 7th round, and that's not exaggerating. If you don't like my opinion, too bad. I based it on what I see on the field.. I saw a slow runner who is not that strong of a blocker and not that strong of a pass catcher (doesn't look natural, yes I know he caught a lot of balls). He's not big/strong enough to play fullback, and he's not quick/fast enough to play halfback. That's what the observations are based on. Disagree? Fine, I can respect that, but to call them ridiculous is just embarassing to the person doing it. Opinions are not "ridiculous" because they do not agree with yours. Now, I know he'll be taken by round 3 or 4.. I know that. I could be dead wrong... but sometimes I see a player and say to myself, "Why doesn't anyone want him? I think a team should take a shot" and then sometimes I see one and say, "This isn't an NFL player, or at best, a fringe player." I say the latter about Leonard. Like I saidm, I could be dead wrong, and if I am I'll own up to it.. this is just what I feel about the player. He could end up being Chris Cooley for all I know, but he'll have to put 30-40 lbs on before he can do that. I can't see him playing FB or RB. Speed at the combine is almost meaningless to me. SHOW ME THE SPEED YOU PLAY WITH. Coles, 4.19 was some of his reported times, but he plays with the speed of a 4.5. Now he's a good player, so let's not make this about Coles... The point is straight line speed doesn't always translate. Look at Jerry Rice.. he was SLOW in his runs (relatively speaking). In his prime, he PULLED AWAY from guys. Cotchery is showing he might be similar (no, I am not comparing him to Jerry Rice). He wasn't terribly fast, and slipped to round 4. You know what? Someone who runs a 4.55 or whatever it was doesn't score 75 yd TDs. He's worked on his speed, and he plays with all of it. Leonard, regardless of the combine #, doesn't appear to play with that speed. Granted, it's harder to see in an RB than a WR. Power? I don't see too much from him.
I would love picking Leonard in the 3rd round, maybe even with our late 2nd round pick (our 3rd pick). Anything sooner than that late 2nd rounder wouldn't be worth it though Think about it guys, he fits the Wayne Chrebet mold, as in he's white and went to college locally, not physical similarities. WAYNE 2.0!!
Wayne was an undrafted free agent.. A 2nd round pick has to play a large role on the team.. You don't draft guys because they went to college locally and their white. You draft people because they can PLAY. in round 2, special players are available. Leonard is not special.
I agree the second round this year is talented, but to say that Leonard is only a prospect because he's a Tri-State guy and he's white is just fuckin ignorant.
So you see him as worthless, even as a special teams guy? A good ST's player is worth a 6, a very good ST's player is worth a late 4. That's primarilly why the Jets drafted Rhodes in the first place.... Westoff loved the guy, as did Parcells, but as a ST's player, not a starting safety. It's not that I just disagree with your assessment, it's that it's so far outside any other opinion I've read that it seems like you have some sort of ax to grind with Leonard. Hey, maybe you are right... maybe he doesn't belong in the NFL even as a ST's ace. I'll lay 10 to 1 odds against that. Saying that drafting Leonard is worse than giving away a pick for nothing is WAY over the top. And yes, it's ridiculous to say so.
Again, You misread my opinion.. even though you were told specifically not to address me. I said, let's see if I can keep it clear enough.... If they draft him in one of our 1st 3 picks, they may as well give the pick away.. At least there wouldn't be a cap hit then. Want to take him in the 6th? Fine.. . What evidence do I have he's going to be a good special teamer? It's not like Rhodes where I can see he can tackle and run...
You have to read a post better before you reply. No one said he's a prospect becaseu he is white. He simply said he fits the mold in these areas. Please read posts before you reply.
