cant disagree with you there. the only point i can make is that if we go out and grab fitz, we should be more willing to take mariotta and keep him instead of making a deal. BUT, i also am not 100% sold on him even being there at 6 (signs point to him being there but god only knows). i would just like to see us stay away from hoyer and bradford. i dont hate either of them but id take fitz over both and would rather take the rookie and build around him while fitz is the veteran starter who becomes the mentor, or go with foles (who ive stated before that i believe is the real deal) than throw money at one of the very underwhelming free agent qb's out there
Didn't say Geno, was thing draft pick, but I think Geno under a real HC and OC has more potential upside than Fitz.
i think i would be more excited if we started a 7th round pick at this point...atleast i dont know hes bad yet unlike the free agent qbs available
Smith Fans are not going to be behind any moves that have the potential to lead to Smith not being the Qb.
Hardly a massive upset. Get real. Fitzpatrick's best years were under Gailey, he knows Gailey's stystem, and as PulseJet pointed out has had a QBR of around 95 the last couple of years with completion percentages of 63% and 62%. Geno can only dream of numbers like that and he has to learn Gailey's system. I think it would be shocking if Geno beat Fitz out for the starting job.
You keep quoting this complete nonsense implying there's some reason to think Gailey is a better OC than Marty. And by better I mean much better, significantly better. There is no reason whatsoever to think a mere change of OC will make a significant difference in Smith's performance. As for Bowles, I am a fan of his hiring, and Ryan had to go. But Bowles is a former DC. There's even less reason to think he will make for a significant improvement in Smith than Gailey will.
I understand where you're coming from, but a QBR of 95 and completion percentages the last 2 years of 63% and 62% is nothing at which to sneeze. I also think he would be a very good mentor for Mariota.
I honestly would have had no idea. I think Houston and Tennessee are the teams I've watched the least over the past 2 years and he just seems so uninspiring a choice. But I agree he's a smart guy and would be a good mentor for Mariota. _
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Geno's performance has no reason to improve with a new OC. He has a chance to start over in camp with a completely clean slate in the eyes of his coaches. Gailey has largely implemented a spread offense with the QB in shotgun the majority of the time. The offense gets people open in space and incorporates more downfield throws. Plays also require less timing between Qb and WR. These things will help Geno to play more to his strengths. He has a great arm and good speed, the brains just aren't up to NFL standards yet. With Gaileys more simplistic O, there is no reason to think that this OC change cannot make an impact on Geno's performance.
You either misunderstood my posts or are intentionally making a different argument. I never said that a new OC cannot make for an improvement. But the ridiculous post I was quoting said in effect that Marty was not a "real" OC. Marty was a real OC. SMith will never improve enough if he cannot take snaps behind center. As far as getting the ball downfield, that is what was tried with him before he turned the ball over too much. In simplifying the O for him, that meant SHORTER throws, not longer ones. In 13 the last four games he cut his turnovers while simultaneously having his YPA go down, not up. The other thing is a simple O is a more predictable and easily defended O. I am constantly amazed at the apparent assumption Smith supporters make that tailoring the O to mask his deficiencies has no net cost. There is a cost. How about the Jets go anohter route and get a Qb who does not have those huge deficiencies that Smith has?
I also think some of this "downfield prowess" is historical bullshit. At one point in the middle of his rookie season he had completed quite a few down field throws and I think at one point was leading the league in completions thrown more than 20 yards past the line of scrimmage. But since then he's gotten worse and worse and worse at it and what at one point was seen as a strength has become a weakness. _
Fitzpatrick is has tendency to turn the ball over? Surely, not at the propensity of throwing 3 picks in 3 consecutive possessions at the start of the game, right? Or does his TD/INT ratio comes at abysmal 1:2?
I didn't misunderstand your post. You had two arguments. You said that Marty was a a real OC, and I agree. You then said that there is no reason to think that a different OC could improve Geno's performance, and I disagree. Not because I'm a Geno supporter, cause I'm not, but because it's obvious that Marty and Chan are philosophically completely different OC's, the latter known for an offense that Geno has had success running (albeit in college). Marty and Rex had a little pissing match all season, and Geno was their puppet. I'd be all for that route. Who do you have in mind?
