Luck won a playoff game with 3 INTs this season. He also threw for 400+ yards and 4 TDs. Peyton and Brady were very fortunate to get wins in their 3 INT games. Luck sort of made his own luck, no pun intended.
nyjunc, doesn't it sound kind of crazy to say that if Peyton won yesterday he might be the best ever, but since he lost: he is out of the discussion? Seems like you put a lot into a single game. Not just any game either: a game where the much better team dominated and won.
Of course. That list will be much longer than the list of QBs who won games where their team scored 8 or less points. Joe Ferguson threw 4 INTs and helped the Bills beat the Jets. Kelly, Moon, Montana and Warner are guys who threw 3 interceptions in playoff wins.
irrelevant because the game is more than just the last drive. Brady's performance in those games are what are judged, not simply one specific moment in the game. and Brady's performances were poor. the fact is Brady's offensive output in both of those games were losing performances, and that is what happened. it doesn't matter whether the Giants scored 20 and 17 points prior to the last drive, simply that they only scored 20 and 17 points and Brady, over the course of the entire game, couldn't score more. Brady had multiple opportunities in those games to score more points, but he failed to do so and he created the opportunity for the Giants to be able to win at the end.
I don't think he would have been the best ever, much like w/ XLIV the "experts" and fans were getting ahead of themselves b/c they wanted it to happen. That much better team was the UNDERDOG, he has the most talented offensive personnel in the league. I don't want to hear any excuses. Didn't Todd throw 4 in that Ferguson game? Poor would be throwing INTs for TDs, leading your team to 8 pts that averages 38 a game. NE got a lead, the game plan was to control the clock and not take too many chances. if they needed to open it up I am sure they could have scored more much like 2 years later against a good D where he lit up Carolina in the 4th qtr. Brady absolutely could have and should have done more against NYG but he left late w/ leads. Something Peyton hasn't done.
Yeah, Todd threw four too. It's sad that the Jets intercepted 7 passes in their playoff losses to Buffalo and Miami. Oh, so add Woodley to the list of QBs who threw 3 INTs and still won. (The 8 points or less list is complete. The 3 INT list is not complete. )
No one in a Denver uniform showed up. Blame goes equally around. Maybe John Fox and that CS deserves a bigger piece of the pie
How come when den's O does well it's all the brilliance of Peyton calling the game but when they suck he doesn't get that blame? I agree it was a total team failure, I don't blame Peyton but he was part of the problem.
Luck gave up 370 yards passing and 4 TDs to Alex Smith? Man that Luck sure can't play D as well as Brady.
He obviously gets some blame, but his entire team looked very overmatched. This wasn't a situation where you can say "if player X had only done a bit better, we would have won." Take away the pick-6 and Denver still gets smoked.
Peyton deserves his fair share of the blame absolutely - that's why I said the Broncos got embarrassed. Manning always has to have a good game in order for his teams to win (cept for the season they won the SB). That Broncos team was so dependent on him to produce.
To add - I still consider Manning to be one of the best ever to play the game. I still believe Manning and Brady belong in the same class. Brady has been on better TEAMS, Manning has directed better offenses - but we all know offenses don't win VLTs - it's very rare.
Let's look at the INTs: Luck vs. KC: 3 #1: down 31-10 at midfield 2nd and 17 #2: get ball to begin 2nd half down 31-10, throws INT, leads to TD to trail 38-10 #3: down 38-24 in 3rd at Colts 28 1st and 10. sets up FG to trail 41-24 2 INTs lead to 10 pts Brady at SD: 3 #1: 1st and 10 at SD 38, possibly prevented 3 pts trailing 7-3 #2: 3rd and 10 NE 32, trailing 14-10 #3 trailing 21-13 on 4th and 5 but Brown rips ball out and NE gets ball right back and they score TD and get 2 pt conversion 3 INTs lead to ZERO pts Manning vs. KC: 3 #1 leading 6-0, 2nd and 11 Colts 49. Maybe had prevented 3 #2 trailing 6-0, 3rd and 16 at KC 25. Prevented 3 #3 up 9-0, 2nd and 8 KC 44, may have prevented 3 3 INTs lead to prevention of 3 pts Luck's were worse. I never said it was all on Peyton but he was still terrible and when your best player is terrible it's very difficult to win.
He's an all time great w/o a doubt but his poor play in the biggest games I think knocks him down a peg, he should be in the top 5 battling for #1 all time but I think he's closer to 10 than 5. manning's D's have allowed less pts in postseason too, the Colts/Denver D's may not rank as high but they have played as well, if not better, in postseason overall than Brady's Ds.
You understand football though. You know they had no business being underdogs. I broke down each position for both teams before the game and gave the edge to the Seahawks every time except for QB and WR's. Despite all of that, I picked the Broncos, hoping Peyton could pull it off by himself. He couldn't. I could see you making this thread if the Broncos were huge favorites and ended up being blown out by an inferior team, but you know that is not the case.
Junc you realize Peyton's team was absolute garbage? I said it weeks ago and im saying it again. Without Peyton this is 3-4 win team. 2011 Colts 2.0
