No I did not defend the FO for not signing Jackson due to wanting to build like the Hawks. They are two seperate thoughts. I defended the FO for not signing Jackson due to concerns of his character/work ethic that I don't know enough about to form an opinion. I also defended the FO because they are modeling themselves after the successful teams in the modern day NFL, specifically Seattle, where our current GM came from. That has proven to be the right approach, what is not proven is whether it will work for Jets. We do know that being offseason champs doesn't translate to in season success though. By far our biggest weakness coming into the offseason was WR, which we addressed with the best one at the time on the market with a good deal on a player that fits what Idzik is trying to build. We also upgraded our QB depth chart with the signing of Vick which at the very least will provide a quality vet for Geno with the ability to play if needed or win the job. No I don't think the overall team is significantly improved yet because we had a long way to go but we are not playing games til September.
Actually the very player who pushed Milliner in his rookie season just happens to be on our team again... derp. At WR we have a cast of players who all do different things. You don't have to have 2 starting WRs if you can successfully use role players with different skills.
I have no confidence you will find an upgrade to the OL, which I did list, in the lower rounds. Projects for the Jets have included second round picks like Ducasse and Hill. Projects sometimes, too often it seems, go nowhere. The last two Cb's the Jets got in the first round were Kyle Wilson and Milliner. I in fact have hopes for Milliner, and Wilson is adequate at nickel back. But Wilson was not chosen in the first round to be a nickel back. And I fear the Jets might be expecting too much development from Milliner in the coming season. Even if they go Cb in the first round, the rookie will likely be shaky as a starter. The last time the Jets went wideout in the second round they picked Stephen Hill. I rest my case.
Go to your post 630 on this thread. You defended not signing Jackson, and then said this: " I want the Jets to model themselves after winning organizations which is the track they are on. Whether or not that leads to success is unknown at this point. Idzik may turn out to be horrible or great or in between but the draft will determine that, not this FA period. This is exactly how Seattle was built into the powerhouse they are now." It seems pretty clear to me that you were defending not making an FA signing because, as you wrongly claimed, Seattle built their team in the draft and NOT in FA. Seattle in fact has signed key FA players. It's kind of annoying to call posters on crap with what they said before. But it's also kind of fun.
No your just noticing I disagree with you. I know that's hard for you to fathom. I wish I could agree more with all the experts on here. I just can't.
Alrighty then.... 1. You don't need an upgrade at OL. You need successors for D'Brick, Mangold, and Colon, not all necessarily in this draft. Winters will improve with more competition and how about an offseason with the pros? 2. Comparing the talent evaluation of two totally different front offices is meaningless. Stephen Hill and Vlad Ducasse were considered projects, the second round WRs this year are not. Most are considered pro-ready. 3. First off, Milliner was considered a can't miss guy, a top 5 player who we snagged with the 9 overall, so he is bound to be much better than Wilson, taken at the tail end of the 2010 draft when the best CBs were off the board. Wilson is more than an adequate nickel, he is one of the best nickel CBs in the league and we use him on a lot of snaps, enough that I'd consider him a starter. 4. The last time the Packers took an OLB in round 1 they picked Nick Perry. The last time before that they picked Clay Matthews. The Jets took Anthony Becht in the first round. Then, they took Dustin Keller in the first round. You know what? None of that matters. If you think an organization is going to be scared to take a WR in round 2 because of a mistake made by a former front office you need a reality check.
Don't need to reread what I said as I know exactly what I said and it's the same as what I just said. Not my problem you have trouble with reading comprehension. If you don't think Seattle was primarily built through the draft I can't help you.
Every team in the league signs free agents. We signed 3 key free agents this year. It is not the main source of talent for either Seattle, or San Fran, or New England, or any other team that has had sustained success.
It's probably a reach to attribute this non-signing to Idzik's commitment to his team building approach, but you've responded to the "homers" who have done this with some statements that imply Idzik somehow dropped the ball by not acquiring D-Jax. You accuse other people of mindless homerism but contradict yourself because you're so eager to throw whatever criticisms you can at the team and people who support it.
You know what's hilarious? You accuse other people of posting exaggerations and wasting everyones time, which they do, and yet you do the identical thing right here.
Past performance is always indicative of future results. This is why the Jets should never pick a TE in the first, trade up for a QB, or draft a WR in the second. Additionally, star FAs should always be paid because their output in a different setting will definitely translate to results for the Jets. /rant But seriously, there's risks with any FA and Jackson was no different. While he does have a tendency to disappear, most Sundays he impacted games, even winning a few. On the other hand, one has to account for Jackson's image problem (which exists regardless of the voracity of the gang allegations), as well as his locker room behavior, e.g., not showing up to meetings, fighting with teammates, contract dissatisfaction, etc. Additionally, as previously discussed in this thread, paying big money contracts to outsiders would set a precedent not only for future FAs, but also for our own guys that we need to sign. (No, I'm not saying that there isn't or won't be enough money to sign Wilkerson, Snacks, etc., but rather that they might cost more based upon the contracts we give out.). There are a lot of variables, and how one weighs them results in how one thinks the Jets should have handled the situation. Honestly, it would have been nice to have his talent, but I'm not convinced that his image and attitude problems would not have hurt the team's long run strategy. In any event, it's done. We can only hope that Jets correctly estimated that the opportunity cost outweighed the benefits of signing Jackson. Sent using Tapatalk
Don't give me that reading comprehension crap. You said the FO will be judged by the draft, not FA. Who said it was an either or choice? And then you said Seattle was built through the draft. You didn't refer to any qualifier. You either don't know what you are trying to say, or don't know how to clearly say it. The point is that Seattle is not an example of building success by relying only on the draft, and not being a player in FA. Seattle has nothing to do with whether the Jets should have pursued Jackson.
First of all I don't consider homers to be supporters of the team. I consider them to be apologists for incompetents, or at least inclined to be so. Ever hear of constructive criticism? Maybe not. I did not imply in this case that Idzik dropped the ball. As I noted above I was responding to the FO homers here who say it was just as well the Jets did not get Jackson because that is all part of Idzik's plan. I don't know that Idzik had a real opportunity here to sign Jackson, and never said that.
I'm not going to get into a he said she said with you. I know what I said and I'm pretty sure it was easily understood for most. Now your just arguing for the sake of arguing. It is ridiculous to think that I said they were built only through the draft. It is not debateable that they were built primarily through the draft just as the Jets are attempting to do. All teams bring in key FAs just as the Jets have done this offseason.
You miss the point completely about draft picks. I am merely stating the obvious, which is two things. One is there is no such thing as a sure thing in the draft, and the other is that the lower you go in the draft, the lower the likelihood you will find a good starter. Another point is we have no reason to flat out assume as you do that this FO will do a better job with its picks than the old FO. Certainly there is no reason to just go ahead and expect that all top picks will be good starters. OL is the other point. The Jets do not need a project here, they need someone who can potentially upgrade the group. All I heard from Smith Fans last year was how awful the OL was. I didn't thikn it was all that bad, but it is a year older, Winters showed nothing, Colon was mediocre and has a history of injury. Mangold and Ferguson are getting older. I concede they do not have to be replaced now, but without an infusion of talent the OL will continue to decline. I know there are some middle round picks on the bench, but so far they have shown nothing. I suppose given more pressing needs that Cb and wideout will take up the top two picks. funny how that affects BPA, but I digress. But if starting quality OL players are not picked this year, that increases the pressure in the next two years, when all of Mangold, Ferguson and certainly Colon may have to be replaced.
Nice white flag. Run along now. And in the future try to write more clearly if you want people to understand what you mean, assuming you have anything coherent to say.
Well considering the only one complaining has some clear reading comprehension problems I think I'll be just fine. Go on and continue your whining bitchfest though.
People seem a little confused in this thread. Just bear in mind that just because Idzik is not signing big name FAs now, doesn't mean he'll be like that forever. Remember, he's trying to build a team that can have sustained long term success, not just a quick window to win and be done. Don't be fooled into thinking Idzik is ultra conservative. He's just trying to lay the foundation before adding the major components. Next year he's going to have even more money to spend. Also BPA is a farse. Nobody just picks the best player available. Need /future need always factors in. If the BPA is a D linesmen again this year, we aren't drafting him, period, end of story. All I'm saying here is that Idzik can change his style, and he probably will when we're a 9 win + team again and start adding those bigger pieces to put us over the edge.
