Legitimate concerns about Idzik

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  1. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    He may get a lot more than a 4 game suspension. Apparently he made a statement at the time of the arrest that the gun was his, a statement he now denies making. I don't remember reading about this statement before, it looks like it came out in the status conference and the motion to dismiss the statement as well as the motion to dismiss the gun as evidence is set for the 5/19 date, I would assume the trial wouldn't be set until mid June to early July.

    If their motion to be tried separately is granted I think he has a much better chance of getting off, they could each just argue it is the others gun then.
     
  2. Mr. Green Pants

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    Sure, that's possible, but why would anyone who's not a Jets basher assume that when there's nothing to suggest talks ever got serious with anyone other than the Redskins?
     
  3. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    You defended not signing Jackson because you say you want the Jet FO to build the team like Seattle did theirs. The fact is the way Seattle built their team did not preclude signing FA's. Even expensive ones if you have the space.

    As for the rest I take issue with "significantly". And FA has also left the Jets worse off at Cb than before. OL is a yaer older, and who is playing safety?

    I don't think the roster is overall improved, significantly or otherwise. Yes in the short run I think Vick is a better Qb, significantly, than Smith. But overall signing an often injured player to a one year deal is not a signficant upgrade to the roster in the medium to long term. In fact if they don't let Vick start it won't be an upgrade at all.
     
  4. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Read the thread, dippy. I was responding to people who said it was good the Jets did not get Jackson, that not doing so is all part of Idzik's approach, blah blah blah. In fact I posted somewhere that I recognize that Jackson may well have wanted for personal reasons to go to DC.

    You in any event miss the pattern. Idzik will talk about doing many things. The fact is he signed Decker and Vick, has a gaping hole at starting Cb, a declining OL, needs another starting wideout, and is sitting on a huge pile of cash.
     
  5. Geno007

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    If Vick doesn't start and Geno looks good all the credit will go to Vick.
     
  6. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    Didn't you hear? The Jets will be drafting 12 starters and pro bowlers.
     
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  7. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    You are engaging in a straw man argument. Your posts are a waste of time.
     
  8. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    I suppose you may not care if anyone on this forum respects your opinion, but then why bother posting at all?

    I noticed that all of your posts have come from the last couple months as well despite you being a long time member, and they have all been bemoaning the Jets far more than usual. I'm asking did the original creator of the profile stop logging on and allow the profile to be taken over by a whiny child?

    And all of this would be super relevant if we didn't have 12 picks in a superbly deep draft.
     
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  9. Big Blocker

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    Perhaps for those who are inclined to swallow FO PR bs.
     
  10. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Lol why don't you do some reading on the draft and its prospects. Those who spend their days scouting these players for a living believe multiple starters per team are available in this draft, especially at the WR position.
     
  11. Falco21

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    Yet they keep bringing your responses with them ;)
     
  12. JetBlue

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    I doubt talks ever got serious with any other team. but the question of why it never got serious can have multiple reasonable possibilities beyond him simply being tunnel visioned. as I mentioned, perhaps when told of his salary demands the other teams chose simply to not engage him in serious discussions, leaving him only one option -- the Redskins. that wouldn't mean he was tunnel visioned to the Redskins but simply that his demands left him no other team to sign with. If the Jets were willing to offer him that much, or engage in a bidding war for his service, I have a hard time believing he wouldn't have listened solely because he wanted to play for the Redskins.
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    And all of this would be super relevant if we didn't have 12 picks in a superbly deep draft.[/quote]

    Meh. The Jets have one first round pick and one second round pick. All those lower round picks may come in handy to provide "competition" to the hot garbage that makes up the second and third string players on the Jets' current roseter, but are very unlikely to produce a good starter.

    Unless of course Brian Winters is your idea of a good starter.
     
  14. pclfan

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    Bros, it's called building a team. Not just signing stars for big money who are going to kill your cap space because of those huge contracts they often don't live up to. Get young hungry players who are willing to play a team concept. Re-sign you legitimate stars and overacheivers. Don't be tempted by a guy like DRC or DeSean Jackson. Look at the Redskins under this owner. He is willing to spend a lot on talent and coaches. But what has he won. Not much! And on a more positive note it looks like Woody is listening to him. And not going for a quick fix. There is going to be a surprise team in the NFL this year. There usually is one. And for the most part it's a team that exercises the team concept. Could be the Jets if we play our cards right. Who knows. And PS remember the "Dream Team" in Phila two seasons ago. How many games did they win. 4. And half of those guys are gone now plus the coach.
     
  15. Geno007

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    I'm not saying we won't draft any starters, but it not like we have much talent at WR or CB that could push these rookies we draft.
     
  16. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Signing Jackson would not have killed the Jets' cap space.

    Next!
     
  17. Big Blocker

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    This is just like looking at the players the Jets drafted last year who started. Bohannon, Winters, even Smith, were not pushing out Pro Bowl players exactly. Even Milliner would not have played as much as he did if the Jets had a viable starter to insert instead.

    Yeah sure they might well find a player to let's say beat out Winters this year, maybe deep in the draft. Yay!

    It doesn't mean he will be a good starter.
     
  18. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    Good point. It done he signed with Skins it time to move on.
     
  19. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    The depth of this draft is better than last year, indicating there is a reasonable chance we can get a starter in that round, but even if we only get starters out of the 1 and 2 picks, you've only listed 2 "holes" as you call them. I wouldn't consider Winters a "good starter" based on his 2013 season of starting, but he can develop. I see no reason we can't address the aging O-line by drafting a project guard or tackle or two in the 4th round, because we certainly wouldn't be expecting them to start in 2014. If we go CB in 1 and WR in 2, the depth of the draft dictates we should be fine. Even if it doesn't go perfectly that way, I'm confident if we get one starter out of those 2 positions we will still field a competitive team.
     
  20. Big Blocker

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    What's not done, apparently, is the Jet FO's questionable strategy this off season. I thought that was what we are talking about.
     

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