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  1. TNJet

    TNJet Well-Known Member

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    Name one besides the Bills.
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Ridley won't be returning anything this year assuming he even gets back this year.
     
  3. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    I know you hate him but I think everyone except the Bills. They have their version of him in EJ. Plus Rex burned that bridge when he signed IK which was as much a FU to the Jets as it was him as a player.
     
  4. DaBallhawk

    DaBallhawk Well-Known Member

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    My bad, I meant Stacy. Ridley is on PUP so he's not returning until after week 6 or so.
     
  5. TNJet

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    Good point
     
  6. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    Geno has value but he'll probably at best end up at backup. Chip Kelly would sign him although probably too expensive to be a no. 3. As for us he has 2 years more on his deal. This year and 2016. I assume they'd keep him because he's still on his rookie deal and then let him walk. Unless Mac like some GMs just wants his own guy.
     
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    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    There, fixed it for you.
     
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    Thanks but when it comes to saying something that stupid I don't need any help.
     
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    Fixed it for ya.
     
  10. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    SMH. You have no point. You don't know that Geno is not an NFL quality QB, that's just your opinion. Trying to develop a young player with a ton of physical talent is NOT a waste of time. You're too impatient and showing your lack of knowledge about the game and about human nature. Not everyone learns immediately. Some people take longer than others. There have been posts in this forum detailing how other QBs who are in the top 5-10 of the game struggled their first couple of years, then went on to become topflight starting QBs. Geno has the physical talent to become a quality starting QB if not a very good one. The only questions are the mental aspects of the game, and at least in terms of decision making and reading Ds, he had shown marked progress this offseason. Leadership and maturity are still works in progress.

    You act like QBs grow on trees. You DO realize how many awful QBs are still in the league, don't you? They are able to hang on precisely because there is a lack of quality QBs. Geno still has a chance to develop. You don't cut players like that, particularly when they're still under their cheap rookie contract. If Geno develops and demonstrates that he's grown up and developed some leadership skills, even if the Jets' CS and FO have decided they don't want him, some other team will because of his arm strength and ability to run the ball.

    The facts are that Geno was not ready to start immediately. He had too many fundamental issues that he needed to work on (footwork, taking snaps from under center, drops, reading Ds, maturity, and leadership to name a few). He needed to sit for at least one year, probably two. Instead, he was thrown to the wolves on a team with a freaking dumbass for a HC who didn't know a thing or care anything about offense. He had a clueless OC. He had a bad OL and horrible receivers, and even then usually didn't have the same receivers in practice that he had in games or from week to week. NO QB would have thrived under those circumstances, and few would have survived any better than he did, particularly when you consider his maturity level.
     
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  11. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Teddy was ALWAYS a much better prospect than Geno. We should have drafted Teddy. Since Geno was only a 2nd round pick, and needed a LOT of fundamentals work, there is no way drafting him should have kept the Jets from taking Teddy. The fact that we didn't just shows what a clueless twit Idzik is.
     
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    You may be right, but I don't think it will. I think that Bowles has already shown that he is too good of a HC. Look at the way in which this team handled the injuries, the suspensions and the Geno mess. Look at the way they played in preseason games 2-4. I don't think it will hurt Geno if Fitz continues to start. He can still learn from watching, from QB meetings, film study, and hopefully during that time will develop some humility and leadership skills. I think the decision has already been made. Fitz is the starter unless or until he starts playing really poorly or gets injured. If that happens, Geno will get another shot (his last one) to show that he can be the Jets QB of the future. Even if he gets the shot and plays well, Petty will probably get a chance to compete for the starting job in 2016 or by 2017 anyway.
     
  13. NCJetsfan

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    No, he isn't. How is he holding us back? We know that neither Fitz, Flynn, nor Josh Johnson are the long-term answer at QB. Since they didn't cut Geno and claim Austin Davis, they must not think that he is the answer, either. They must like Geno more. The only reason they would have to keep him around is that they think he's better and has the potential to be a quality starter. This is their first year with Geno. For all intents and purposes, the last two years don't count that much. Bowles and Mac weren't here. The previous regime were a bunch of boobs, the OL was pretty bad and the WRs were awful. It's what Geno does or doesn't do this year that will make or break him.

    Mac and Bowles owe Geno nothing. He either develops this year or he doesn't. They already have their potential starting QB of the future waiting in the wings (Petty). Mac showed that he won't let his ego get in the way by allowing Posey to be cut after he traded for him. I believe that if he didn't think that Harrison and Simon would be claimed, he probably would have waived them then signed them to the PS. Mac is one smart cookie. He knows the types of players he wants, he seems to have a really good eye for talent, he's a grown up, he understands scouting and personnel. If Geno doesn't develop this year, he will be gone as his rookie contract will have ended. Petty will get a chance to compete for the starting job in 2016 if they think he's ready. If they don't think he's ready, then depending upon how they see his potential at that point, they may let him serve as the #2, or may continue to let him serve as the #3 QB and then either look to bring in another vet QB to back up Fitz, or may draft a QB if there's one they really like and think is the BAP in round 1 or 2.
     
  14. NCJetsfan

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    OMG! Ducasse not only made the Bears but is going to start? If he's one of the two best OGs they have, I hope the Bears FO has a long list of QB phone numbers, because they're going to be signing street FA QBs all season long as Ducasse gets the starters killed.
     
  15. NCJetsfan

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    Look around the NFL at all the awful backup QBs...the Rex Grossmans, the Barkleys, and the like. Geno has more arm talent than a lot of QBs in the league. Inevitably, some OC/HC will think they can finish developing him and turn him into a productive, quality starter.
     
  16. DaBallhawk

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    This is Vlad's MO. He always looks servicable in practice before the season begins. He looked good in the preseason here as well, a couple of times. When the regular season begins he becomes a turnstyle, a penalty machine, and he gets cut or at the very least benched a couple weeks later. The Bears just don't know it yet.
     
  17. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Cutler won't hold the ball for three minutes like smith does so it wont matter if he starts.
     
  18. 101GangGreen101

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    People hate on Geno for the dumbest reasons man, I can't believe someone would say Geno is holding this team back, we barely have any other options and we passed on other options in 2014. I actually hope Geno gets back out there as a starting QB this season and proves this fan-base wrong. This is coming from a guy that didn't even like Geno Smith prior to the draft.

    Jets have to work with what they have now.
     
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  19. pclfan

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    If you're watching the Ohio State-VT game tonight you might have heard the commentators talk about how hard it was going to be for OSU to replace Devin Smith as a deep threat. They referred to his ability to adjust to a ball thrown as "legendary."
     
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  20. NCJetsfan

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    Yes they do. I knew you'd get it. You're reasonable and a level-headed fan. Obviously, some of our posters aren't. Some of the crap we see on this site is pretty unbelievable.
     

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