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  1. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    i don't have a problem with the chart's ratings.

    it's never going to be perfect, as they are trying to maintain objectivity while only using the latest information they have.

    for instance, you can argue Marshall should be high quality or Mo should be elite.
    but both were a little banged up last season, so it wasn't their best showing. If healthy, they'll put up a better year this year, but that's hard to factor in.
    likewise, guys who play limited snaps (like Babin) are probably rated higher than they should be, as they aren't being asked to do much, and may have less negative plays. doesn't mean they could handle a larger role though, or that they are of similar quality to the full time players.

    so it's not perfect, and i would personally move a couple guys up or down.
    but it's pretty close overall in establishing a baseline, and we can apply some common sense projections to supplement it.
     
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  2. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    i think IK's best position is the same as Coples, the rush LB role in base, or as a fourth down lineman in subpackages.
    i have hopes for him too. liked what i saw in limited action and on ST's. he's a wrecking ball.

    Mauldin and Pace will be the guys on the other side.
    although i hope all LB's are versatile enough to play either side if needed.
     
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  3. DaBallhawk

    DaBallhawk Well-Known Member

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    IK reminds me alot of James Harrison. Short, very explosive, not a workout warrior, not that highly touted, great football player with great instincts, toughness etc.

    I hope Bowles gives him a shot to be a starter if IK shows us he can be an every down linebacker in camp. He doesn't really have the measurables you would want in a 3-4 OLB. A tad too short/heavy.
     
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    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    if IK steps up, it could effect Coples roster spot next offseason.
    i hope he progresses this year and makes it interesting.

    good comparison regarding James Harrison.
    would be a great scenario if he grows into anything near his level of play. and we'll get to hear Greg Buttle attempt to pronounce his name again this preseason! always fun..
     
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  5. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    one of our bigger problems with the Oline is lack of versatility.
    we have all these young guys, who haven't shown much yet, AND lack versatility to confidently play more than 1 role.

    none of the former T's we drafted can actually play T. they struggle at G, and are being worked at C, which i can't imagine working too well.

    Freeman played well at C when called upon (Miami game), but is he big enough to play G?
    serious question actually... i can't imagine he's still only 290. anyone know his current weight?

    that's the problem. I'm looking for one of these guys to prove versatile, and we'll have to cut the least versatile.
    can only have so many projects.
     
  6. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that too.
     
  7. AlmostNamedMyDogRevis

    AlmostNamedMyDogRevis Active Member

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    My Predictions

    QB
    Geno Smith
    Ryan Fitzpatrick
    Bryce Petty

    RB/FB
    Chris Ivory
    Stevan Ridley
    Zac Stacy
    Bilal Powell
    Tommy Bohnaon

    WR
    Brandon Marshall
    Eric Decker
    Jeremy Kerley
    Devin Smith
    Shaq Evans

    TE
    Jace Amaro
    Jeff Cumberland
    Wes Saxton

    OL
    Nick Mangold
    D'Brickashaw Ferguson
    James Carpenter
    Bruno Giacomini
    Willie Colon
    Oday Aboushi
    Dalton Freeman
    Dakota Dozier
    Jarvis Harrison

    DL
    Muhammad Wilkerson
    Sheldon Richardson
    Damon Harrison
    Leonard Williams
    Leger Douzable
    TJ Barnes

    LB
    David Harris
    Demario Davis
    Quinton Coples
    Calvin Pace
    Lorenzo Mauldin
    Jamari Lattimore
    Ikemefuna Enemkpali

    CB
    Darrelle Revis
    Antonio Cromartie
    Buster Skrine
    Dee Milliner
    Dexter McDougle
    Marcus Williams
    Darrin Walls

    S
    Marcus Gilchrist
    Calvin Pryor
    Jaiqwan Jarrett
    Antonio Allen
    Rontez Miles

    Folk, Quigley, Purdum

    Practice Squad
    QB Jake Heaps
    WR Quincy Enunwa
    OL Wesley Johnson
    OL Brent Qvale
    DL Deon Simon
    DL Jordan Williams
    OLB Trevor Reilly (if eligible. I don't know the rules on this.)
    OLB Deion Barnes
    ILB Taiwan Jones
    FS Durrell Eskridge
     
  8. pdxdrew

    pdxdrew Well-Known Member

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    Is it just me or is the OL a possible crater for the team. Outside of Mangold, who is dependable?
     
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  9. DaBallhawk

    DaBallhawk Well-Known Member

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    I think we have a lot of question marks there but in my opinion odds are everything will work itself out and we should be fine this season. Brick should be solid, Carp should be solid, Breno hopefully will be solid, Aboushi should be solid. If they can build some chemistry and work as a unit it could be our strength this year. If they can't do that, if they don't gel this could turn out to be a mess with guys being benched and rotated and poor pass protection.
     
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    pdxdrew Well-Known Member

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    Yes, "hopefully" Suh and his ilk won't go through our line like sh-t through a goose.
     
  11. DaBallhawk

    DaBallhawk Well-Known Member

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    Brick shredded Vernon & Wake last season, I doubt we're gonna have to worry about them. As for Suh, we have somebody to take care of him as well.

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  12. NCJetsfan

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    I would be shocked beyond words if the Jets only keep 5 WRs. I also would be shocked with 7 CBs and 5 Ss. I know Bowles likes DBs, but that's overkill. I also don't see Wes Saxton making the roster and the best blocking TE Kellen Davis not. I'd also be very surprised if Brewer doesn't make the roster. He can play T and OG and is pretty good.
     
  13. DaBallhawk

    DaBallhawk Well-Known Member

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    5 receivers is an awfully small number, I think at the very least we'll keep 6, more likely 7. I think 8 might even be more realistic than 5 at this point. Owusu is great on special teams, so is Enunwa, TJ Graham. It'll be tough to cut either guy. Shaq I don't see making this team, he doesn't really stand out on special teams and he's had some issues with drops lately, and last season as well. If you factor in size/speed as well, there's not much to like about him right now except for talent I guess but Owusu/Enunwa have way more upside.

    I also think that all our picks this year will make the team, outside of Simon maybe, he was a 7th rounder and I doubt he's gonna be able to beat out TJ Barnes for the backup NT job. It'll be interesting to see how the next few days/weeks will go by, we'll see plenty of cuts and every single one is going to impact this team in a big way, the way it'll be built.

    Reilly btw is not practice squad eligible as far as I know, he was on the active roster the entire year.
     
  14. MoWilkBeast

    MoWilkBeast Well-Known Member

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    Didn't they change the rules on PS eligibility last season though so 2 more experienced guys could go on it? That's why Simms was eligible. I can't remember exactly what the changes were but it is quite possible that Reilly would be eligible for one of these spots.
     
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  15. DaBallhawk

    DaBallhawk Well-Known Member

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    If they did change the rules on the PS eligibility then you might be right. Would be great news, that would allow us to maybe stash somebody like Winters or Freeman on the practice squad. Reilly is another guy.
     
  16. JStokes

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    Looks like Reilly may be eligible for the PS. See bolded text.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/29/6077941/nfl-practice-squad-rules-eligibility-salary-deadline

    NFL practice squad rules, everything you need to know

    In the NFL, the preseason is often the most hectic time for players. The summer whittles each roster down from 90 hopefuls to 75, before making the final cuts down to 53 men. For those who did not make the final roster, the hope is to either catch on with another organization or to make a team's practice squad.

    The wait is not long for those players, with the deadline for final cuts coming on Saturday at 4:00 p.m. ET.


    How many players per practice squad?
    By Sunday, each team will have named 10 players to its practice squad. In previous years, only eight men were permitted, but the new rule has allowed for two more to be kept through at least the 2014 and 2015 seasons. If a team wants to keep a man who is considered to be an international player, they can do so without it counting against the 10-man roster. The player must have citizenship and a principal place of residence outside of the United States to qualify.

    How does it all work?
    Practice-squad players are allowed to practice with the team throughout the season, but can't play in games unless they are called up to the 45-man game day roster. A player can be signed by another team at any time, provided the new team is going to place the man on their active roster. The only time a practice-squad member can't jump to an active roster is when the upcoming opponent tries to sign him within five days of the game (nine on a bye week).

    For a player who is released to be put on the practice squad, they are first put through waivers. At that point, any team can put in a claim and try to sign him, either to their active roster or to their practice squad with a higher offer.

    What makes a player eligible?
    Generally, teams like to keep young players on the practice squad so they can develop without taking up spots on the active roster. Undrafted rookie free-agents are popular along with late-round draft picks. A player can be eligible if he does not have an accrued season in the NFL, although the NFL has now approved a maximum of two spots on the PS for players with no more than two accrued seasons. To have an accrued season, you have to be active for at least six regular-season games. A player can also go to the practice squad with an accrued season provided they were on the 45-man active roster for less than nine-regular season games.

    In addition, a player is allowed on the practice squad for two years. If a player is on the practice squad for six weeks, up fron three weeks per the previous agreement, in a season, it is considered a year of PS sevice. Players are only allowed to be on a practice squad for a third year if their team keeps 53 players on the active-inactive list at all times.

    How much money do these players make?
    The minimum a practice-squad player can make is $6,300 per week. Of course, a team can and will pay more if a player is in high demand and has other offers elsewhere. However, none of their contract is guaranteed. In short, a team can decide to cut a practice squad player without any penalty.

    If a player is signed to another team and put on the active roster, they will receive a minimum of three checks regardless of whether they are kept for that entire time.

    Should a player stay on the practice squad for the entire season, he stands to earn $107,100. In comparison, a player who is on the active roster and making the minimum will take in $420,000.

    Under the current collective bargaining agreement, the salary for a practice-squad player will go up each year through 2020. Increases of $300 per week will be made until the year 2018, when $400 will be added to the previous year's salary. By 2020, the number is set at $8,400 per week.
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  17. Quinnenthebeast

    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    Lets bring in 1,000 Ben Grahams in here and have them duke it out for who is most elite.
     
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    This is certainly the most exciting training camp in a long time. I would say almost every position is up for grabs. Two guys I am rooting for in particular though. Owusu and Marcus Williams. Those guys were freaks of nature (compared to the crap on our roster last year at least) and hope they land a spot and succeed here. The nice part about last year when our team sucked as bad as it did, is that it essentially became open tryouts since our original roster wasn't getting it done. Other than that, I hope guys like IK, Aboushi, Mauldin step up to take away spots from the aging veterans who are simply an insurance policy.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I think IK is best playing 4-3 left end, while we move Leonard Williams to the 4-3 right end.

    LW - Sheldon - Wilkerson - IK or Mauldin

    ATTACK THE QB! That lineup is brutal.
     
  20. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    my favorite Punter!
    lol, was definitely a fan so i like your approach. need scouts at the Aussie Football League scene..
     

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