he's also not gonna hit a pro bowler on every pick and will pick some busts. every GM does. good GMs use everything at their disposal. bad GMs think only 1 way is right. the draft is only 33% of the tools to improve a team. FA and trades are the other 67% you need to use the full 100% always
So if you increase your chances your percentage can stay the same but you're hitting on more picks because of volume. Each GM picks at 33%. The Pats have 12 picks every year, the Jets have 6 because we went out and got Antonio Callaway and Desmond Trufant. Which is the smarter move?
I said it when Adams was taken over Mahomes: Safeties don't win you SBs, QBs do. It was a horrible pick, made worse because we needed a FQB and Mahomes or Watson could've been had with NO additional draft capital needed. Adams is damn good, and we've had so few damn good draft picks work out it's hard to consider trading him, but this team needs so much that if he could fetch two or more premium picks I would definitely consider it.
The stupididity of drafting BPA >>>L Williams among others (now fully exposed and understood) can only be exceeded by the equally inept move to draft Safeties back to back???by Mcidiot and Toilet B. I absolutely hated they did that ...now we all see Adams and Maye are fair contributors at best I understand and respect NC's and LA Jets concerns over trading it all but we need some capital for Douglas to use so as our highest commodity ( Sam D) gets the protection he deserves and not end up in dirt or hospital Some Defnsive players are good sure ..but they dont win games for ya So I say : "Trade away Douglas!" But leave SD some WR s to work with eg keep Crowder Herndon Higgins and maybe even Robbie A ( but could see him going for best price and no problemo)
I think it's less about the players we've taken and more about the mentality. We took two safeties in a draft when our offense was STARVING. Leonard Williams, by all accounts, was the right pick in terms of BPA.. Yet we still have Richardson and Wilkerson here. I didn't hate either pick. I wasn't sold at ALL on Mahomes. I wanted McCaffrey so badly because I would've taken an offensive playmaker in any circumstance. But it's more about the franchise continually taking defensive players and letting the offense figure themselves out with undrafted players that's maddening.
Adams only a fair contributor? Sorry, Joe, it's not often that we disagree, but we really do this time. Mahomes would have been the better pick, but I love Adams, and since we have him, I want to keep him; otherwise, it makes missing out on Mahomes even worse, even though I like Sam. Even if the Jets do get a great return for Adams, there are no guarantees that the players taken with those picks would work out. How stupid would Douglas look then if Adams goes on to a HOF career, and the Jets didn't get any better with those 2-3 picks?
Considering it is one thing. Doing it quite another. The Jets definitely should not shop Adams, but if some team calls to inquire about Adams, they should listen, but set the price so high that no team would do it. If some team was crazy enough to match that price, then I might trade him, but at a minimum it would have to include 2 1st round picks (preferably in 2020), and if not then more picks would be required, like a 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 2020 and a 2nd in 2021.
the pats also don't draft well and bring in FAs and make trades all the time. they traded for randy moss, they traded for josh gordon, they traded sanu. how many bust WRs have they drafted? even pats fans bitch about the pats inability to draft well. Their mishaps are just covered up by an elite QB and elite coach. their 2 leading tacklers on an all time best NFL defense are the same 2 the browns had in 2017 when they went 0-16. take calloway put him on the outside with robby and crowder in the slot. he's cheap and under contract 2 more years and we have a huge hole at WR with Q eating up so much cap space and injured. whats the chance of getting a 4th round WR that has calloways talent?
You're point is well made, but still, as you said the team was starved for offense and Macc took TWO fucking Safeties with his first two picks! What's the best cure for a poor offense when you don't have a good QB - getting a good QB. There's always question marks about whether a QB will pan out, but both those guys had the "IT Factor" in spades. If you were ever going to roll the dice on taking the most important player on a team, it was then. I really liked McCaffrey too, and would've much preferred him over Adams because of the offensive anemia, but Mahomes and Watson were steals to anyone who could evaluate QBs - which left Macc out. But it should be clear to all now that Macc was risk-averse, and committed to taking BPA to cover his ass. I still think Darnold has the goods - if Gase doesn't ruin him or get him permanently injured - but if that happens, or he continues to regress, and the Jets have a shot at the best QB in the class, it wouldn't be crazy for them to consider taking him. That said, I have't looked at the current crop of QBs so I don't know if there is really a "can't miss" QB out there, but that would be the ONLY reason that they shouldn't trade down and load up on OL Edge WR CB.
The Patriots draft history is LOADED with star players. The only thing it's not plentiful with is receivers. Just because they don't retain everyone doesn't mean they're not damn good talent evaluators. Yes. They do miss. But they know they're going to so they make sure they have a ton of picks. Gronk, Devin McCourty, Sony Michel, Joe Thuney, Trey Flowers, Jamie Collins, Dont'a Hightower, During Harmon, Isaiah Wynn, James White, Patrick Chung, the list goes on. And then what do they do? When players like Jamie Collins and Patrick Chung are ready for new contracts they trade them at peak value or let them go and reap the benefits of compensatory picks. They traded a 4th round pick for Randy Moss and a 2nd for Sanu. Outside of that I can't remember many trades where they've traded anything worth value for players.
The really amazing thing was that Mac wouldn't have had to trade up to get either of those QBs. Both were just sitting there for the taking and he passed like a complete dumbass!
I was really busy today so the first I heard of the trade was from my rabid Jets fan friend, Vinnie: "Patty Cake Williams to the Giants for a 3rd and a 5th round pick, see ya , go do nothing for them instead. Fleeced them in my opinion. I like that they are getting rid of that useless player, another blown 1st round pick. I have grown very tired of focusing on that guy every defensive play to confirm the fact that he is useless. The guy is irrelevant on 98% of plays but plays Patty Cake with offensive linemen so that's supposed to count for something. What game has that guy ever taken over and dominated ? He hasn't. He may go to the Giants and find himself, great, who cares, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya and I'm not religious so fck him. See ya, useless , just like the ENTIRE offensive line." Me: "Useless! That's what John Wilkes Booth said after he got shot in the neck and couldn't move his arms. His dying words, useless, useless! Parallels here? Like my kooky brain needs this." Vinnie: "The history books left out that he said useless! This team stinks, period!" OK, so now I am envisioning Lincoln's assassin saying, "Useless! This team stinks, period!" Thanks, Vinnie.
In other news, the Giants and Gettleman are trying to recreate the brick wall defense that Rex tried to build with Coples, Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson and Damon Harrison. He took Dalvin Tomlinson in the 2nd in 2017, BJ Hill in the 3rd 2018, Dexter Lawrence in the 1st in 2019 and now traded for Leonard Williams. One would think they just would've not traded away Damon Harrison if they wanted a three hundred pound run stuffer so badly...
Douglas fleeced senior citizen Gettleman Even if Fat Cat has big years coming, he won’t be cheap and we were not signing him anyway.
Good to get a potentially early 3rd instead of a comp pick for when he walks in FA. He will likely get 4 sacks against us in 2 weeks.
A good GM listen to inquires about *every* player if the team looking to make the trade is willing to give up way too much. That being said, there's a huge difference between trading guys who are in the last year of their contract and guys who have years left. We are going nowhere this year. It only helps us to get draft picks for guys who likely aren't going to be here next year anyway.
