kyle wilson stinks?

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  1. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Why doesn't he just turn around sometimes? If he did, he would at least triple his ints.. That's my beef with the kid. The finger wagging would be more respected if it happened after he actually made a great play every now and then. Appearances can be deceiving, but it does seem like he celebrates a lot after getting lucky when Qb missed a play he got beat on.
     
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    I know that the NB position is an important one, but if I told you I was drafting a NB with the 29th pick overall as part of my draft strategy you and every other poster on here would criticize me mercilessly and tell me how I don't know anything about football.

    The bottom line is, he is not that good even as a nickel back.

    Being drafted that high he should be at least our #2 CB.


    I understand that no top pick is a given to be successful, but the reason there is a draft and all the teams do their homework is because there is some credit to the valuation that teams put on players.

    Do some slip through the cracks? Yes, but the process works, and the truth is that KW was a bad pick for the Jets as the 29th overall pick.

    I'm not worried about the finger wagging, I just see the plays on the field and he is just flat out not that good.
     
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    Kyle knows that when a WR is wide open he has too much time to think about making the catch and ends up dropping it. That's why Kyle plays 10 yards off his WR at all times. Pretty smart that Kyle Wilson.
     
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    Didnt have one just thought i should add who was picked after
     
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    Good post, and thanks for going to substance instead of the SOJF stuff. Ftr I bring up his draft status because it's always going to be part of the overall assessment of him. But I also think on a going forward basis we have to consider his draft status as a form of sunk cost, and put that behind us in understanding his game to game value to the team. By that measure, he's acceptably solid at nickel back, although I do not think he can or should be put at starting Cb.

    In today's NFL your third wideout and nickel back are not only your first and most important bench players on O and D respectively, but arguably are as important to the team as some of your starters. Both are key positions unlike any other bench roles. That being the case if we can look at Wilson as someone who performs that important role acceptably well, we should recognize the positives, including that the Jets do not have to be scouring the market for a nickel back.

    I will always be disappointed in him I expect, since I see his limitations as meaning he will never be good on the outside. But what metric I use or others do on what the standard of "good" is in that connection, we can all agree he's better in the slot, so let's leave it at that.
     
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    You could use that same rationale to justify picking Manziel instead of Pryor.
     
  11. I don't agree w/ this.Not b/c I think Wilson has lived up to his draft day billing but rather the downplaying the nickel back spot as worthy of a late 1st round pick. 10-15 years ago you might've had a point..but evolution of the passing game has changed things.

    Teams are loading up on outside skill players w/ specialized qualities..including ultra shifty slot receivers which are almost more difficult to defend than the traditional flankers/split ends.Therefore on defense you need to mirror this philosophy & have specialized talent to match-up.

    Nickel-backs & Slot WR's are no longer just the "#3's" on depth charts. Those days are long gone. These are positions w/ skill sets unto themselves.It's almost similar to the emergence of the Tight end position in the throwback days.

    As far as I'm concerned if you're the starting nickel corner..you're a starter. Within that regard the Wilson pick was a success. He's just not the play maker he was in college.
     
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    Making up shit again.

    Never change BWay. This board would suffer for it.

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    I didn't follow the draft as closely back then but wasn't Kyle Wilson considered a better prospect than Ward? And gronk fell due to injury concerns.
     
  14. Correct.

    At the time of the draft "In the moment",consensus was that Wilson was the best available.

    Both Ward & Gronk were considered 2-3 rounders.
     
  15. abyzmul

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    Give it a few years, and if McDougle turns out to be a true starter, you will realize that teams that find steals in rounds later than the 1st realized that those players could be better 1st round talent without reaching for it.
     
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    Wilson was obviously picked for need, just like Nugent. The Jets had 2 established corners but got torched because Manning had his nuts on Drew Coleman's forehead in the AFCC.
     
  17. JStokes

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    If I recall correctly people were shocked that Wilson was still on the board when we picked. CB was no where near on our "need" list, it was just way too much value to not pick him.

    Basically the definition of BAP.

    Or BPA if you prefer.

    Too funny BWay rewriting history.

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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    The Jets had Revis. Drafting Wilson in the first round was akin to the Pats drafting QB in the first when Brady was in his prime.

    You can school me on law language all you want, but if you want to go here, we're in for some real fun.
     
  19. JStokes

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    Why quibble with facts?

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    Are we arguing or not?
     

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