Kellen Clemens / Brett Ratliff articles

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  1. ScotsJet

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    Hurrah, just what I was waiting for.
     
  2. onefanjet

    onefanjet Well-Known Member

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    My vote is to keep it in house, none of the free agents are that exiting and how the fuck are we ever gonna seee what these guys can do if we don't start 'm, Imagine the deflation and the message they will recieve if they bring a vet to camp..... it will say, "WE DONT THINK YOURE CAPABLE".........
     
  3. tpjets62

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    Rex Ryan doesn't need a star at QB in order to win

    Another view.....

    http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comme...need-a-star-at-qb-in-order-to-win-202246.html


    "In Jets coach Rex Ryan's world, the quarterback is a game manager, a caretaker of the offense. His formula for success is a strong running game and an even stronger defense.

    During his 10 seasons in Baltimore, the Ravens won a Super Bowl with journeyman Trent Dilfer as their quarterback and reached the AFC Championship Game last season with rookie Joe Flacco behind center.

    The Ravens did acquire veterans Elvis Grbac and later Steve McNair but neither could deliver the Ravens a second Super Bowl. In between, the team drafted Kyle Boller 19th overall in 2003 and won with him playing as a rookie and second-year man but never again reached the Super Bowl.

    Thus, Ryan appears more than willing to put his team in the hands of former second-rounder Kellen Clemens or undrafted Brett Ratliff -- both unproven -- although the Jets will likely sign a veteran in the wake of Brett Favre's retirement. Erik Ainge, a 2008 fifth-rounder out of Tennessee, is also on the roster.

    "The thing that I'm excited about with our offense -- there are several things to be excited about -- is I believe our offensive line is one of the top offensive lines in the league," Ryan said on Wednesday, the day Favre announced he was ending his career.

    "Our players are going to be in the same system under (offensive coordinator) Brian Schottenheimer. I think that's all positive. All of the quarterbacks have played in that system. I think that's going to give those guys a leg up.

    "I think we'll run the ball more this year. I think it's going to be great competition between those three guys. If something else comes along (a veteran), so be it. Those guys don't have to be the solution, they just have to be part of the solution."

    Ryan's defense never finished lower than sixth in the NFL during his four seasons as coordinator, including second last season. Jets running back Thomas Jones led the AFC in rushing with 1,312 yards and a career-high 13 touchdowns last season.

    That's how Ryan plans to win -- defense and running -- not by going out and getting a big-arm, high-profile quarterback."

    Save us some money and maybe a pick.......
     
  4. Gunther

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    The Ravens are a special group.
    Your smoking if you think he can duplicate that here.
    They won with Trent Dilfer but everybody also knew that the Ravens needed a QB if they wanted to get back there. That was a once in a life time defense. Also when the Ravens got tired of jerking themselves around, they drafted Flacco with the 18th pick in the first rd. They got as far as the Championship Game with a first rd 18th pick rookie.

    Imagine where they will be when he has 2 more years of experience.
     
  5. Mr Electric

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    Your posts bother me more and more with each passing day...

    Do you remember the Steve McNair trade or the Kyle Boller pick? Joe Flacco wasn't the first move they made at quarterback.

    Joe Flacco was pretty bad this season. 14 TDs to 12 INTs in the regular season and 4 INTs and ZERO TDs in the playoffs.

    Trent Dilfer threw 12 TDs to 11 INTs with the 2000 Superbowl champion Ravens. He threw 3 TDs and only 1 INT in the playoffs. I'll take a washed up, so-called bust, veteran QB in the playoffs over a rookie any day.

    The Ravens defense is the reason that they made it so far. A big offensive play every now and again helped get them a few wins, but that defense...Rex Ryan's defense...got them to the AFC Championship game.

    They allowed less than 14 points in all but five games this season. That's ridiculous. Two of those games were losses.

    Don't try to tell me or anyone else that rookie QB Joe Flacco is the reason Baltimore had so much success.
     
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  6. Tony

    Tony Bipedal, Reformed

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    I'm sorry, I just don't believe Clemens is the answer. I would prefer that they draft a QB on day 1 (Nate Davis?), and then allow Clemens, Ratliff, and the newbie to compete. Ainge is free to compete as well, but I don't expect him to be on the opening day roster.
     
  7. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    then why is he here... to fuck around until the contract is up?

    he may not do it in his 1st season, but if he drafts the right players and coaches them up correctly as I expect him to then the Jets defense will look similar to what he had in baltimore.
     
  8. tpjets62

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    He doesn't need to duplicate that. That year they had a top notch defense and the offense was barely adequate. If we can have a "real good defense" and a good offense, we can make a good run. And we do not have to acquire a 1rst rd pick at QB to have a shot at the SB. There is enough evidence of that around the league. Up until the last 4 games or so our defense was well ranked. I dont expect a #1 or #2 ranked defense for a couple of seasons, but if we are in the top 5 or 6, we will have a good shot to win just about every game we play.
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    You should be sorry.
     
  10. Gunther

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    "There is enough evidence of that around the league".
    Where?
    The teams that are going to the SuperBowl except for the Patriots have drafted QBs in the first rd.
    Blanket Statements without proof
     
  11. Gunther

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    Your too emotional
    The Ravens have a better future and it is because they finally did something about there QB situation.
    Of course I know about McNair and Boller, but it was obvious for a while that Boller was not what they needed.
    So Yes Or No
    Are the Ravens in a better situation because they perhaps might have taken care of the QB situation?
    Simple as that
     
  12. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    where was Warner Drafted??? [stop]
    [line break]
    i know the answer, but I want you to tell me. [stop]
     
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  13. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    its a medium sized branch on the "Tree of reasons why the Ravens went as far as they did" [stop]
    [line break]
    The Ravens defense is the trunk, and 2/3 of the leaves. [stop]
     
  14. Mr Electric

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    Hahaha...I hope he gets what you're trying to tell him.
     
  15. Gunther

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    Even though I wasn't talking to you, it seems the statement applies to you as well.
    You are too emotional.
    I would write read it again, but given that you responded to it twice, I'm sure you have.

    I will say this twice though

    YOU ARE SMOKING IF YOU THINK HE CAN DUPLICATE THE SAME THING HERE

    Ray Lewis is a special player
    Ed Reed is a special player

    Not saying we can't get special players and I hope we do, but it will take a few of those first my man.
    Revis is one
     
  16. Mr Electric

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    You're wrong on this, just like everything else.

    According to you...we only need two special players to have a great defense - and we already have one with Darrelle Revis. The Ravens have Ed Reed AND Ray Lewis...but don't forget Terrell Suggs and Haloti Ngata.

    Since 1996, the Ravens have spent 7 first rounders on defensive players - Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, Duane Starks, Chris McCalister, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, and Haloti Ngata.

    Any team can duplicate this blueprint. It may be hard to find as many stars as the Ravens have, but if you want a solid defense, you can built it through the draft.
     
  17. Gunther

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    Are you a man
    Because you give off alot of feelings in your words
    I said a few
    Never said two
    (Hey that rhymes)
    Lol
     
  18. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    now you're avoiding the fact that we are correct.

    about the fact of duplicating the defense here... I thought i replied once that it won't happen right away, but it can if the right players are drafted.

    the Jets have to find those special players... we have Jenkins and Revis and I believe Rhodes will return to his poor mans Ed Reed once again.

    There are pieces here, the old Coaching Staff couldn't put it together correctly.
     
  19. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    mcnabb's the only one who i would consider.if he comes available isay make a run.otherwise k.c. or b.r. fight it out.but i doubt he leaves philly
     
  20. tpjets62

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    Kurt Warner Rams
    Brad Johnson Bucs
    Mark Rypien Redskins
    Jeff Hostetler Giants (2nd string most of the year to boot)

    A blanket satement with some proof. That better? Now as far as a comment like "The teams that are going to the SuperBowl except for the Patriots have drafted QBs in the first rd.", eh, that's a little ridiculous. The team is not one person. A great Qb helps tremendously in getting us to the big game and the odds are in favor of that. It took a while for P Manning to get there and tho Marino holds quite a few records, there is no ring on his finger
     

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