This whole thread has been eye opening. So Ellis defending himself vs. Ellis defending somebody else being attacked. They are two different things legally right? So am I right to assume this is the laws concerning this situation: - If Ellis defending himself, as soon as the guy can't fight back Ellis is in trouble if he kept attacking. - If Ellis defending friend being attacked, as soon as friend is no longer in danger, Ellis is in trouble if he keep attacking? Considering Ellis girlfriend is much smaller, does this give Ellis more leeway in how much damage he can get away with? According to the article the guy is harassing Ellis girlfriend & then came after Ellis. So this was a premeditated attack vs. Ellis. Is that a factor in what Ellis can get away with? === Morally this whole situation really bothers me: If the guy was attacked by Ellis when minding his business then Ellis belongs in jail. If they were arguing and Ellis threw the first attack and changed it from verbal argument to a brawl then Ellis deserves punishment also. However, if this guy started attack with a weapon then he should've had his ass handed to him & Ellis shouldn't even be in court. The laws are so damn complicated.
He has a right to self defense if he reasonably thought he was in danger. the defensive action needs to be proportionate to the perceived threat. Here he punched an attacker who was swinging a baseball bat. Sounds like he has a good case.
Our GM is a lawyer. I would hope he had a pretty good handle on the met likely outcomes for this case. Since they drafted him with he case pending I feel pretty confident we will not be hearing about any deportation or prison time when it's all over.
How do you explain the McDonalds beatdown then? Jury nullification perhaps... The guy was behind the counter came out with a whuppin stick and beat the holy hell out of those two dykes that had jumped the counter. He was found innocent and set free.
There's so much more to this story than we know. WHAT IF dude with baseball bat was defending Ellis's girlfriend from Ellis? What if Ellis smacked her around the day before and this other dude was her friend from high school? Just saying there's a ton of scenarios we don't know about so the fact Ellis COULD face deportation is not a tiny thing. Maybe that's why keeping Pouha was such a big deal for Tanny?
You're joking right? I won't spill my credentials on here, but, if you beat the crap out of someone and then run away, don't be so confident in your safety. Get a good lawyer, ask him if he would like you to "defend" yourself. You have the right to defend your property, yourself, and a 3rd party. How far you wish to take that right is a whole different situation. Ellis attorney will most likely be saying he was defending his girlfriend, who was in imminent danger. That is the key from the information we have right now. There is a lot more we don't know and won't know until next week. I highly doubt that. He is claiming self defense, how can he claim self defense if he is the aggressor. His girlfriend is their lead witness. Makes no sense.
While his degree is in a completely different field, you are right in that the JETS must have done their homework at least a little bit. They can't be stupid enough to just draft the guy without looking at the details of his case. I don't see them drafting him unless they too believe he has a good case. So that is a positive and will be a positive for him in court.
Jenny Vrentas @JennyVrentas A plea agreement has been reached for Kenrick Ellis' felony charge, according to the alleged victim's atty. S. Howard Woodson. #nyj Jenny Vrentas @JennyVrentas Woodson said his client reluctantly agreed to Ellis pleading guilty to reduced charge of assault and battery. #nyj And Jenny Vrentas @JennyVrentas Ellis would serve 90 days in jail, Woodson said. It appears he won't be deported w/reduced charge but I'm trying to verify w/prosector. #nyj
Beat me to the news. But Just as I expected. Good for Kenrick. I wonder how the league will act. 90 days he will be out in 30.
I think it would be pretty shitty for the league to suspend him based on the fact that it happened prior to him even entering the league. Is that 30 of 90 days a pretty standard thing?
Jets defensive lineman Kenrick Ellis reaches plea agreement in malicious wounding cas Jets defensive lineman Kenrick Ellis reaches plea agreement in malicious wounding case BY MANISH MEHTA As expected, second-year defensive lineman Kenrick Ellis reached a plea agreement today at a pre-trial for his malicious wounding case. According to a Hampton Circuit court official, Ellis, who was charged with a Class 3 felony, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of assault and battery. A team source told the Daily News that Ellis, who is not a U.S. citizen, will not be deported to his native Jamaica. The Jets were given assurances of that by Ellis' attorney long ago. Ellis was arrested in April 2010 by Hampton University police after allegedly attacking another student. Sources told the Daily News shortly after the Jets drafted Ellis in the third round last season that he was defending his girlfriend at the time. http://twitter.com/TheJetsStream
Well I'm assuming on good behavior. Generally 1/3 of sentence pending severity. New York he should be out in 30-40 days on good behavior.
Still gona miss OTA's at the least. But hopefully he can come out by training camp and get up to speed
It's 6 MONTHS jail time. Will end up serving 3, or the 90 days reported. That's disapointing to hear.
If they bargained, there was obviously something they had on him. This sort of thing happens all the time to athletes and non-athletes alike, so I wouldn't get too worked up about him doing less time than sentenced. It's the best of both worlds from a Jets fan's perspective: he learns a lesson about the law and what kind of situations to avoid, but he'll still be back in time to be ready for Week 1. This also means the FO won on a third round gamble, which bodes well for D-Line depth for several seasons.
This... I think they knew / Had an idea where they were going in the trial and once he became a professional football player he got the best council his money can buy
Wasn't Terrelle Pryor suspended in a similar context? It might be shitty, but I think Goodell has done it before. Correct me if I'm wrong.
