Are you seriously expecting our GM to admit he failed so badly at QB that he’s gonna trade a 1st plus more to take the guy he could’ve just drafted in the first place?
I agree I'm not sure how much crow JD would be willing to eat. But if he cared about building a long term winner like he claimed, then Fields would get his rebuild back on track. Instead of this one last shot QB fire drill. Plus if were gonna give up a first for another QB, lets spend in on potential long term solution. I'd put it this way to JD. "The first time Fields fakes a handoff left to Hall and then takes it around the right tackle for a 50 yard TD run against the Patriots, you'd know why it was worth it." The rabid cheers at Met Life would digest a lot of crow.
Let's agree to disagree because I can't even wrap my head around that take. Fields is a God awful passer who turns the ball over like 3 times a game. Rodgers is a HOF QB. You're out of your mind.
17 TDs to 11 INTs and a 60.3 completion percentage on the worst roster in the league is god awful? Rodgers went 24/12 in a much better offense and didn't rush for a 1100 yards. Rodgers is going to cost a fortune and Fields is dirt cheap. We could actually improve both our roster and QB. What a luxury. Rodgers will last 1 season in NY while Fields could be here for 10 years. We could actually find a FQB. Imagine that. We could literally have the best rushing attack in league history with a Fields/Hall combo, and with our receivers a good coordinator could make us the #1 offense in the league. You cant wrap your head around that because Ayahuasca Jeopardy guy wants a bright lights send off? The truth is the Bears are floating Fields to drive up the price of the #1 pick. Their not stupid enough to let a player like him get away when they know they could build the same thing around him I'm pointing out for us. I just wanted to call out how idiotic most people take on Fields was. He is a big time impact player that could take a decent team a long ways. If he really was available, than we;'d actually have a QB worth going so hard for. None of the other options are anything but desperation that will lead us to the middle for a year.
Rodgers broke his thumb on his throwing hand week 5 vs the Giants and still threw for 3700 26 and 12 while having a revolving door at WR with a bunch of rookies. Get real.
The Pack had the 11th ranked o-line while the Bears ranked 32. I am being real. Its also real to say that Fields is currently the most exciting player in the league. But hey, it would be "fun to watch" Rodgers complain about the Jets.
Unfortunately exciting doesn't equate to being a good quarterback. He is in the same breath as zach wilson. The #s don't lie.
Fields had the worst roster in the league and still had 6 more passing TDs than INTs. Not only is he way beyond Zach, he would have easily been the best QB on our roster this year. He also stomped NE in NE, and SF in SF, before the Bears gutted their defense. Again, this is TGG year 2 Josh Allen QB takes. It wont age well. You wanna beat Josh Allen, you wanna compete with Miami and NE - you sign Justin Fields. If we have a chance for Fields, it would be one of the best moves we've made in decades. Spoiler alert - there is no chance we get him.
He was sacked 55 times a s he fumbled 16 times. Come on. Look, he may turn out to be great but to say he would win more games with the Jets next season than Aaron Rodgers is fucking insane.
The fact that you can't recognize the points I made about why Fields would be overall better for us than Rodgers is a little insane to me as well.
I wouldn’t mind getting Fields although his best chance to develop is staying in the same offense with better pieces around him. He did have a fucking horrible supporting cast. I wouldn’t trade a high pick for him. That’s ludicrous. As is saying that we’d win more games with him than Rodgers - where do you come up with that? Rodgers won more games with a harder schedule albeit a very similar one.
Don't move the goal posts. You said Fields would win 10 games with the Jets while Rodgers would win 7 or 8. We weren't talking long term. Rodgers will be gone in a year or two. That said, I'd take Carr over Fields in a nanosecond and we don't give up anything.
I don't expect you to give a shit but It was how I felt, so I stated It. Not personal. As far as watching him due to fantasy, cool, then I think you are blind. Idk. He Is an elite runner, I think he a very capable passer and will be a top passer In the NFL, and the turnovers are mostly with holding on to the ball which can definitely be corrected. He's incredible because he has IT. He Is viewed right now, just like Josh Allen was. I'm comfortable with what I see, how much football I've seen of him. I think he Is going to have the same trajectory. We shall see.
He's far and away better than, Zach. Just because you proclaim he sucks, doesn't make It true. You aren't factoring In that offense, the pieces around him, etc... It's all good. We can revisit this later.
The numbers DO LIE when you manipulate them. If you look at the numbers from year 1 to year 2, It's a fairly decent leap In the right direction, despite that team being complete dog shit around him. He still got better. Zach Wilson.. The team got better, he got worse. It was night and day In year two. So, If you view the numbers In proper context, we agree. The numbers don't lie.
To be fair, Allen was drafted and developed by the same regime that stayed in place. Fields was inherited by both a new coaching staff and GM/front office who proceeded in tearing the entire thing down and ensuring their defense tanked the season by trading away their two best players (both possibly future HOFers for what it’s worth). That changes the dynamic to an extent. I get why the Bears would probably want to move on for Fields and I’m not ignorant to his shortcomings. But Dean’s point is valid. He took very similar leaps as both Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen did from year one to year two. I don’t know if that means he’ll replicate either because Allen in particular is the strangest NFL anomaly in history so I try not to compare to him at all.
Remember when the Ravens went 14-2? The bulk of that was Jackson/Ingram running the ball all over opponents. Fields/Hall is an even better 1-2 punch then them. We also have better WRs than the Ravens did. Add to that Fields costing 5 million a year would allow us to sign much better FAs, including o-line, where a Rodgers contract would leave us with the dregs. I'm pretty confident we'd win more games signing Fields than signing Rodgers.
