mike pereira said the AZ call was wrong so can we remove the giants from the playoffs? I just learned Nick Folk now calls the plays!
I'm not dumb enough to believe everything I read or hear, I can actually make an intelligent judgement for myself. You should try it.
:drunk:You can do as you pleas. You have already suggested Sanchez did not fumble and the Jets beat the Steelers so nothing is impossible for you lol
I'm thinking they run a play out of the hurry-up on 2nd and 8 and then either call the timeout if they fail to get the 1st down or spike it if they do.
Heh. I didn't say the RT is unimportant to the Qb's performance, but it is axiomatic that the LT is the most important lineman in pass protection for a right handed Qb. Because he covers the Qb's blind side. And usually is up against the opponent's best pass rusher. In Eli's third year, a year his stats went down, you have to understand what was different from the year before. One major difference was Eli lost his LT. That is huge. What other reasons make this relevant? Because in YEAR TWO Eli had much better stats than Sanchez in his year two. This focus solely on the stat lines in year three ignores that Eli had an off year in his third year for the reasons I described. (Including Toomer going out and some others.) Meanwhile Sanchez has NEVER had a year where he broke the top twenty passer rating. Eli did in year two, and in year four he bounced back to 14. Do you think Sanchez has a real shot at going as high as 14 next year? Heh. I never said the CS has no effect on the Qb's play. I just don't think Sanchez Fans have ever made the case that Schotty was a bottom tier OC. And I don't think the Giants' offensive coaching staff in those years was better than the Jets the last three years. I was an Edwards fan, too. But remember that Holmes only had one fewer catch in 2010 despite missing the first four games. Edwards also had that DUI thing early in the season. As I said Keller was in any event the top receiver, but in the games Holmes played he had more receptions. I think that proves that Edwards was NOT Sanchez's top receiver in 2010. More to the point this past season Sanchez had three of his top four receivers back from 2010. That's continuity. In 2010 LT was new to the club as was Holmes, and Sanchez had to wait until the fifth game of the season to play with Holmes. This past year, while I preferred Edwards's role on the club, you have to acknowledge Burress's effectiveness in the red zone. He after all did have one more TD than Edwards did in 2010. Back to continuity. Sanchez had more continuity at receiver in 2011 than in 2010. Yet he showed no material improvement. Can't blame lack of continuity. Meanwhile Eli had to change his number 2 receiver in midstream in his third year. Not comparable.
Watching the game I assumed they called TO and I wasn't paying attention to the announcers, when the Jets were letting the clock run down to kick the FG I was going a little crazy thinking we had no TOs left:grin:
I also should have mentioned in 2006 Eli had Tiki Barber to throw to out of the backfield. He was gone the next year, and he was a much better receiver at RB than Jacobs or Ward. In fact Jacobs AND Ward had fewer catches than Barber the year before. Ward was not on the team in 06, so there was a lack of continuity for Eli with receivers out of the backfield, too. Meanwhile Mark has had Greene and LT in both his second and third years.
Give it up - by this time next year either you will be right or wrong. You are arguing in circles, finding every aspect and spectrum of Mark Sanchez's skills to negate. He has had everything that no other QB in the league has ever had, hasn't won or helped his team to win any games, he has underperformed in every statistical category, so on and so forth. I would like to think the conversation is constructive and actually has a point, but at this point i doubt it. We get it. You think he stinks. What good does you beating a horse to death about it, do?
Whhhat? 2010 - Edwards, Holmes, Cotchery, Keller 2011 - Holmes, Burress, Mason, Kerley, Keller The only new WR addition in 2010 was Holmes?
yes, he's not a very good scrambler as his 6 Rushing TDs demonstrate. And you complain to us that we need to "think a little"? First of all, what do you mean "was"? I haz a sad. Secondly, I disagree that Sanchez had more continuity at receiver in 2011 than in 2010. Not bringing back Braylon to COVER UP Schitty's pathetic offensive-schemes and help with the run-game did more damage to the offense than anyone ever expected.
The Jets made a lot of mistakes on the offensive side of the ball last year, a comedy of errors really. 1. Letting Damien Woody go in favor of a 30 year old JAG who had started very few games in the NFL. This one is on Bill Callahan, because he had to know that Hunter was not good enough to be the RT on one of the better lines in the NFL. Mike Tannenbaum wrote the check though. 2. Shaking up the WR corps again for the third straight season. This is on Tannenbaum. The Joey Harrington comparisons aren't as far off as you might think in at least one regard: he worked with new receivers every year as Matt Millen kept drafting a WR with the first round pick over and over again forcing Harrington to work with rookie strangers until the Lions gave up on him. 3. Deciding to go with a pass-first attack and open up the offense. This is on Rex, who should have known better. After getting into the playoffs two straight years with a buttoned down offense that didn't make many mistakes he bought into the notion of suddenly opening everything up and creating a fluid fast-moving offense. The teams that have tried to do this in a QB's third season have mainly failed in the process unless their QB's name was Peyton Manning. 4. Letting the line depth become a major issue when Rob Turner went down. Tannenbaum and Callahan again. The Jets just don't have enough NFL caliber linemen on the squad. This became clear when a rookie UDFA who was not even on the team in August was suddenly pressed into service when Mangold went down and then cut shortly thereafter. A fish may rot at the head but an NFL franchise rots in the trenches and on the offensive line in particular. The Jets need to fix this fast or they're going to have a classic personnel and plan mismatch and that's where 4-12 is born. 5. Switching schemes in mid-year again, multiple times this time. Schotty and Rex. Consistency in the structure helps a unit come together and make the sum of the parts more than the individual pieces. Inconsistency in the scheme makes that same group look like much less than they are capable of being. With Schotty gone a lot of the excuses here are going to go away. If the Jets are still switching back and forth next season from run to pass and failing to maintain standards then Rex is going to have to go, because he's the head coach and when his offense looks like a chicken running around with it's head cut off that's on him. The Jets have a lot of things they have to fix this off-season but the biggest ones are on the line and in the schemes. Sanchez will play his way out of town very quickly next year if the personnel and schemes are not designed to maximize his effectiveness. In 2011 everything that was done on that side of the ball worked against his ability to progress. That he actually had a decent year for most of the season was kind of amazing given the things stacked up against him.
You really don't know much about football. You left out LT, who was tied in 2010 with Holmes for receptions and was back in 2011. As I said earlier, three of Sanchez's top four receivers in 2010 were back in 2011. That is continuity. More than Eli had.
I am hardly finding EVERY aspect of Sanchez to negate. I am merely pointing out the analogy to Eli's situation is a bunch of crap. Try paying attention next time.
On the bold part, maybe they will be switching back and forth because opponents will put nine in the box to stop the run, or be weak in passing D, but Sanchez turns out once again to suck at exploiting those weaknesses or to make them pay for loading up the box. In which case maybe Sanchez should go before Ryan, no? Your list also left out that the Jets had no real backup Qb last year. Either that needs to be fixed or someone else brought in to directly compete for the starting Qb job with Sanchez. And of course you realize if Ryan goes, that will leave your boy Sanchez quite exposed, don't you? Ryan after all has been doubling down in his support for Mark.
Eli is in year 8 Sanchez year 3 Sanchez WRs year 1: Braylon for 12 games Cotch Clowney Sanchez WRs year 2: Braylon Holmnes - 12 games Cotch Sanchez WRs year 3: Holmes Kerley Plax it's changed every year w/ his top 3 WRs. Eli had 1 new WR in his top 3 this year, most of his career he has had consistency as far as knowing who the WRs will be and having played w/ them. As a young QB through 3 years he had Toomer 04-'08, Plax 05-'08, Nicks '09-'11, Smith '07-'10, Manningham '08-'11. sanchez hasn't even had 2 full seasons from any of his WRs. as far as RBs this was the first year he had the same 2 RBs for 2 straight years. Eli had Tiki for his first 3 years, he's had Jacobs since '05, Bradshaw since '07. At TE he had Shockey for the first 4 years, he played w/ Boss '07-'10. Even guys like Ballard and Cruz who broke out this year he had them on the roster in 2010. Eli has continuity since day 1, Sanchez has had new guys shufflinf in and out every year.
You said he had MORE continuity it 2011 than 2010. That is not true. He may have brought back 3 of his top 4 receiving threats in 2011, but he lost his #1 receiving threat. In 2010, he also had his top 3 receivers returning in Braylon, Keller and Cotchery. In 2011 he had his 2nd, 3rd and 4th returning in Holmes, Keller and Tomlinson. I suck at math but I'm pretty sure top 3 is better than 2nd, 3rd and 4th. He lost 2 of his top targets that he had for the first two years of his career in 2011. In 2010, who did he lose? David fucking Clowney? As far as Eli, that's an entirely different argument. Comparing an 8th year QB to a 3rd year QB is a very good comparison too.
Fixed this for you. Absolutely correct. The 3rd down back in 2009 went down in game 7 and was never replaced that year. LT filled the role well in 10/11. As for the rushers, Shonn Greene's ribs have defined Sanchez career. From the injury in the AF championship game in 2009 to the declining carries in the three game losing streak at the end of the 2011 season. When you are facing a good to great pass rush the way to defuse it is to pound the ball on the ground and use play-action. The Jets final three games against that type of pass rush saw them dropping back to pass more than they rushed the ball and in the case of the Giant's game ridiculously so. Shonn Greene's durability was the reason the Jets couldn't do what they needed to do at the end of the season. They need to fix this.
