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  1. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    At the time definitely, it's the definition of a game managing QB, Eli was asked to not blow the game basically.

    But even then Eli is a different passer than Sanchez, Sanchez does not have Eli's presence in the pocket or ability to throw in the pocket that Eli has. Eli is a prototypical NFL passer with a different tool set than Sanchez.
     
  2. RevisIsland18

    RevisIsland18 Well-Known Member

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    ok so you're only a good qb if you're a pocket passer? if you have the ability to run around get extra time to extend the play means you suck?

    just trying to clarify

    also eli was giving 5 years to grow to become a "elite" qb (which i dont think he is esp when throwing 25 ints the year b4) and we want to kill/cut mark after 3? why?
     
  3. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Pretty much...

    Unless your name is Cam Newton or Michael Vick. Sanchez hasn't shown much ability to prolong plays, he scrambles out of straight fear and takes horrible sacks.
     
  4. RevisIsland18

    RevisIsland18 Well-Known Member

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    so rotheslisberger (or however u spell that rapist's name), randall cunningham, rodgers (scrambles quite a bit), sucks too?
     
  5. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    How do you know what they have in their garage?
     
  6. RevisIsland18

    RevisIsland18 Well-Known Member

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    hahahahahahahahahha nice!
     
  7. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Those guys will scramble just like any mildly athletic QB when the protection fails, but they are all pocket passers. Sanchez is NOT a pocket passer and has shown no ability to read the protection, he is also not a very good scrambler and takes terrible ridiculous sacks.
     
  8. RevisIsland18

    RevisIsland18 Well-Known Member

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    taking sacks i dont blame him this year when he has like 2 secs to throw the ball...again this is only his 3rd year in the leauge...not everyone becomes a pocket passer overnight. i believe he'll do much better next year w/ sparano
     
  9. PatsFanTX

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    Rodgers
    Starr
    Warner
    Brees
    Montana

    This is misleading because the minimum pass attempts to qualify is 150. Sanchez only has 157 playoff pass attempts and barely qualifies.

    Montana and Warner on the otherhand, had 734 and 462 pass attempts respectively.
     
  10. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Wrong.
    Rodgers
    Starr
    Warner
    Brees
    Montana

    Sanchez is 6th all-time. Those are the rankings prior to this postseason. Rodgers and brees will likely drop, brady may move ahead.
     
  11. davecrazy

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    You guys should start your research on QBs who were mediocre for 4 years then became good so you'll have it ready next offseason.

    When that fails make sure you get your Steve Young, Rob Johnson, Jim Plunkett, Rich Gannon, and Vinny Testaverdie comparisons ready.
     
  12. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Again painting it with rose colored glasses. Sanchez was barely averaging 180 yards a game, yet you think he was the reason not the the defense and running game? Stupid really. And to compare him at all to Brees, Rodgers Montana shows how dense you are.

    Smith had a 100% completion % behind center in the post season, he should be anointed into the HOF.
     
  13. PatsFanTX

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    Unless Brady really lights it up in the Super Bowl, his playoff rating will probably go down after his poor (57.5) performance against the Ravens last week.
     
  14. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    who cares about the yardage? his 2 best yardage games he played probably his 2 worst games. It's about making plays and he did that for us in every game to give us a chance to win.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Rodgers went down to 105.5
    Brees down to 103.9
     
  16. RevisIsland18

    RevisIsland18 Well-Known Member

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    agreed...as long as he's getting the Ws...i dont want him throwing for 400 yds while getting Ls
     
  17. The 1985er

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    Even now Sanchez hasn't shown the same ability Eli shown in year 3.
     
  18. Br4d

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    Look, what you want is a QB who can win you the game when he's put in the position to do so. That's why the Steelers stuck it out with Terry Bradshaw when he looked terrible early in his career. It's why John Elway was worth so much. It's why Eli Manning is worth so much despite the fact that he's not really an elite QB except in crunch time.

    The Jets have had one QB in the time that I've watched the team, spanning 1971 to today, that I trusted to be able to bring them back against the odds and win the game late. That was Vinny.

    What made him special in that way? Well, he had a strong arm and he wasn't afraid to let the ball rip late in the game into double coverage. He also had enough experience that the inevitable boneheaded interceptions didn't impact the next drive.

    Sometimes when you're going to get some, you get got instead. There are a lot of NFL QB's who have had this quality over the years and yet were big winners when the team supported that. Bradshaw and Elway are outstanding examples of that type. Both of them were throwing boneheaded interceptions from the day they came into the NFL to the day they retired. They also got some rings and a lot of playoff wins along the way. Brett Favre was another example of that type of player.

    Sanchez is that type of player. When the chains are removed late in the game out of necessity he goes and gets some. Even in his lowest moments, like near the end of the Dolphins game, he went and got 7 late. If the Jets had pulled Holmes from the huddle at half time they might well have won that game. Like Eli Manning and Jeremy Shockey, sometimes addition by subtraction is the way to go. There are no pass catchers that are worth stroking hard when other things are on the blink in the offense.

    I'm hoping the Jets are smart enough to recognize that Sanchez "failures" so far are a team effort. He's part of the problem but he's only part of it and if the rest of the team shows up to play he can win against anybody on any given Sunday. That's what you want out of your QB on a team that has championship aspirations.
     
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  19. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    What the QB rating shows is that a) he was efficient when called upon and b) he was a positive contributor. That's a far cry from
    It's not easy to win road playoff games. Your QB playing efficiently and not making mistakes goes a long way towards getting those wins. Good defense and running game also help quite a bit.

    It could be argued that the two teams that made it to the superbowl this year did it because they made fewer mistakes than their opponents.
    It would be dense to make that comparison, but so would thinking I actually made any such comparison. All I did was show the simple fact that Sanchez is #6 all-time on the NFL Post season QB rating list.

    I know facts are difficult for some to deal with.

    The NFL requires 150 post season attempts to make this list in order to eliminate silly statistical anomalies like the one you pointed out.
     
  20. fozzi58

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    Phil Simms and Joe Thiesmann say hi.
     

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