John Fox's Offense Last Year

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  1. Potzer

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    7 on 7's mean nothing.

    Haters should hang onto the scrimmage performance if they want to bash something.
     
  2. cval

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    Typing on a phone happens sometimes
     
  3. metsnjets

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    Yeah, I know. Yuck... 10 years of Cam might make me quit football
     
  4. Potzer

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    ^^ This is Fact.
     
  5. Backup QB

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    That's the problem with you, such strong hate for someone you don't even know, and for no apparent reason. Wanting to see other people fail to validate your own beliefs is not an admirable quality. I'm not surprised at all by your comment.

    To answer the other part of your post, I was not making excuses for Tebow. Why should I? Tebow had a worse team but had a more successful season than Cam. I should be making excuses for Cam. Cam put up monster personal stats, but like I said he had much better coaching and receivers, that is not a knock on Cam Newton. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and pretty much any QB in the league also had better coaching and receivers than Tebow. It's not an excuse, Tebow's team did just fine.
     
  6. metsnjets

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    He's a thief and a scumbag and he and his father are whats wrong with sports in this country His me first, I'm the best attitude makes me want to vomit. Yeah I hate the kid but not because I need some beliefs validated. See in my book teamwork matters, being humble and giving matters, I don't see it, read it or hear it from Cam. I would let Tebow run my team into the ground with his bad play every year over winning a SB with the likes of Scum Newton.

    Do you know what a common denominator is? If not look it up.

    Theres a reason Denver lead the league in three and outs, was one of the lowest scoring teams in the league and had one of the worst passing teams in the league. TIM TEBOW. You think Tebow would play anywhere near as well as Brees, Rodgers, et al with their coaches and WR?

    What you seem to forget is the WR doesnt make the QB the QB makes the WR. What happens when a bad QB throws to decent WR? The WR #'s DROP.

    Watch what happens to the #'s of the SAME WR you say were some of the worst in the league this year with Manning throwing to them. Can you say double or triple the stats they had with Tebow? Because I can.

    If they stay healthy Decker / DT have at least 2x the number of catches yards and TD's this year if not higher.
     
  7. Demosthenes9

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    Silly. They're going to have higher numbers simply because Peyton is running the offense and calling the plays.

    Go back and look at Tebow's first 3 starts from 2010. He averaged 216 yards passing per game. Not Manning levels, to be sure, but respectable for a kid in his first 3 starts.
     
  8. metsnjets

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    And why is that? Because he does everything well, except run. which is the JOB of the QB in the NFL.

    I agree, he looked like he might be an OK QB after 2010 but he made no progress and when people finally had enough film to see what he did (get his tendencies down) he went 1-4 with 3 out of his five worst run days and pass days.

    The only difference between you and me and the other big Tebow guys/gals is I see his ceiling lower, he can improve sure, but I don't think much beyond 52-55% and that wont cut it in a passer friendly league.

    Tebow and the Broncos had the most Rushing Yards in the NFL last year and were near the bottom in scoring, The Giants and Patriots were poor running teams yet made the super bowl and were near the top in scoring. What does that tell you? Passing wins championships and when your QB cant be counted on to throw consistantly ...well you are in trouble.
     
  9. Demosthenes9

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    I'm sure you disagree with me on this, but in my mind, a large part of the problem was John Fox. I didn't like him at Carolina and I still don't like him in Denver. I mean, personally, he's a great guy. I just don't think much of him as a coach. Don't have any real good feelings about McCoy at this point either. Save the Pittsburgh game, I think his play calling and offense the rest of the year sucked.

    It was entirely predictable for most the year. In the first 3 quarters, they'd line up with 1 or 2 WRs and run the ball. People think that they ran Option most the time, but that's not the case. They usually ran out of single back and 2 back sets with Tebow under center and they'd sprinkle some Option plays in there.

    Then, come the 4th quarter when they were behind, they'd throw the gameplan out the window, go to shotgun and run spread formations. And guess what ? They did much better. It's no secret as to how the 4th q comebacks happened. Teams didn't just drop into "prevent" defenses. They were forced into certain defenses by what Denver was running.

    Go back and look at the last drive against the Jets. Nearly every play was Spread formation from the gun. IIRC, Rex and company put DBs in to try and cover all the receivers instead of using LBs to stop Tebow from running the ball. When teams did leave LBs in, Tebow could shred that while passing, just ask the Bears.

    That's the thing about Tebow in Spread formations out of the shotgun. Teams are forced to choose what they want to defend against, the run or the pass, and it starts to create mismatches. You have LBs trying to cover receivers and that just doesn't work very well.



    If Tebow gets to 55% on his passing, then other teams had better start worrying about him.



    You conveniently forget that the Ravens were 1 dropped pass and a missed kick away from going to the SB and that the 49'ers were right there as well. 2 turnovers on punts were the difference in the game. The giants were given the ball on the SF's 29 yard line the first time, and SF's 24 yard line in OT.
     
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    1 pass 8 passes..doesnt matter how far or close they came. they were sitting at home like the other 30 teams. Doesnt change the fact that you need an elite level passer to compete for a SB in this day and age.
     
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    Again, SF and Baltimore say otherwise. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat.
     
  12. NY Dork

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    Denver was 7-24 before Tebow was inserted. And he's a backup QB. BTW.....5 of Tebow's college receivers are in the NFL now. Guess he made them look pretty good.
     
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    Yes it was all tebow just like it was last year. He is so awesome he only pretends to be the 27th rated QB because he feels bad for everyone else. You are the reason people hate Tebow.
     
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    Cam Newton was young and made a mistake... an unethical decision. He himself did not steal. He bought a stolen laptop. That was a poor decision and not the right thing to do. I don't think that you can judge him on this incident overall and call him a scumbag. I look at it as a young man who made a poor choice. For you to hate someone and wish they fail when you don't even know them speaks volumes about your character. Cam does appear to have a high confidence level, and even arrogance, but that does not make me hate him. I just think he is cocky. Doesn't bother me one bit.
     
  15. Potzer

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    And the cheating?

    And his pops shopping him?

    Whichev, I don't like Scam, for many of the reasons metsnjets mentioned. <grabs hand sanitizer after agreeing with metsnjets>
     
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    You are naive if you think many of your favorite players did not "get help" in college.
     
  17. SDI_Gator

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    It's the nature of the game. Cam is a slimy guy IMO. I tried rooting for him when he wasn't with the Gators. It just felt wrong.

    Opinions, everyone has them. But I have a hard time believing Cam "didn't know"
    he was being shopped around. That reeks of BS.
     
  18. NY Dork

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    Sorry...it''s actually 6 Gator WR's now in the NFL that played with Tebow. He did spread it around for those 88 TD passes. One less than the great Peyton.

    Not bad for a guy who can't pass....
     
  19. SDI_Gator

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    Sigh.

    Stop putting Tebow and all time greats in the same sentence like that. You sound like a fool. I actually agree that people spout his college stats like it really matters, when in fact it couldn't be further from the truth.

    By that logic noodle-armed Kellen Moore will go down as one of the
    winning-est QB's in NFL History.

    His 6 WR's being in the NFL doesn't exactly help the argument that it was his skill as a passer that allowed him to put up those numbers.

    Tebow needs to get a heck of a lot better to be a legit NFL passer. I think he can get good enough to make a career of it.. eventually.
     
  20. Demosthenes9

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    What it does is put to rest the lie that Tebow can't pass and that he was a "running qb" in college.





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