Joe Namath overrated?

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Thanks Matt:jets:
     
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    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    As they say once a stat freak always a stats freak :sad:
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    do they really say that?
     
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    I'm laughing my ass off at those who think Joe Namath is overrated in lieu of the recent polls indicating Tebow taking first place and Sanchez taking second place as the most overrated QBs in all of the NFL.

    Namath won us a Superbowl. I rest my case. There is no freaking comparison, so let's not talk about Namath being overrated.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    many people(mostly Jet fans) think he is an all tim great QB, a top 10-20 guy and he's nowhere near that discussion so yes he is overrated despite being part of a SB win.
     
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    I don't know of anyone who thinks Namath was a top 10 or 20 QB, so I honestly don't know where you are getting that information. If you have seen polls indicating that, please post them.

    Now, that is the basis of being "overrated," so if you are not considered a top 10 or even 20 QB by many people, you cannot be overrated.

    Also, statistics don't always tell you squat, we all know that. And Namath bears that out. Namath's strengths as a QB included foremost his locker room leadership skills and this is completely immeasurable. There is no stat for this. He possessed over-the-top extreme self-confidence and had the ability to rub it off on the entire team, culminating in the well-known boast right before SB III. And they freaking bought into it and believed it, all of them (except the NY media).

    So he was a damned good QB, but most realize his football pure skills were limited, especially toward the end. Now Mark Sanchez... there's an excellent example of overrating. I thought this from the very start and I still think it today. He was surrounded by talent in Commifornia that made him look good. And we draft him with only one season under his belt.... 16 games upon which to judge his talent (surrounded by extremely gifted players all).

    WTF were we thinking?
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Too many Jet fans act like Joe is an all time great, that's enough to be considered overrated.

    mark sanchez was surrounded by talent but Joe wasn't when he won? he only had the #1 D in the AFL, Maynard, Snell, Boozer, Lammons, Sauer, a great OL but he did it all by himself, right?

    mark hasn't played long enouhg to compare and the 2 played/play in completely different eras but Mark alreayd has more playoff wins, hopefully some day he can get a SB too as he was close 2 times already. Will he ever be as good or better? I don't know but he's certainly not overrated unlike Joe.
     
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    Okay, you are saying Mark isn't overrated but the poll certainly indicates that many think he is, so your opinion is a minority opinion. In other words, you will have difficulty finding others to agree with you. And that's okay, of course, and doesn't make you right or wrong. It just makes your opinion a minority opinion. So, as a result, perhaps it can be said that your opinions are overrated.

    Now, if the poll indicates that Sanchez is overrated, which I happen to strongly agree with, what would happen if Sanchez suddenly started playing a little better and got the Jets into the P/Os and then to a SB victory this year? And with the same personnel we have right now?

    Would he slip in the "overrating" polls? Probably. And he wouldn't be considered overrated anymore, probably due to the SB victory and that alone.

    But the more I am reading my own above post the more confused I'm getting. Maybe this thread is overrated because I know my post is overrated like hell. This whole thread is overrated, maybe even the website itself.

    I'm going to have a beer and watch Judge Judy and get myself underrated for awhile.
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    That had more to do w/ the Tebow stuff this offseason and that Mark has gotten a lot of publicitu but no one has ever said he's a top QB so how can he be overrated?

    so if you win a SB you can't be overrated? I don't like that logic especially since Joe led us to 2 postseasons his entire career and we didn't win that SB w/ offense. I know he called a great game but we won b/c we turned the Colts over a million times.
     
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    You're keeping me from enjoying my beer and watching Judge Judy. The first case is on and his defense is highly overrated.
     
  11. Catfish Billy

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    Joe Namath's arm would be a fucking rocket in any era. That short west coast shit is how everyone ups their throwing percentage today. If Namath played today, he'd still beast.
     
  12. Acad23

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    J.J. who?

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  13. 1968jetsfan

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    NYJunk, I didn't narrow stats, I included the bad stats but pointed out that his bad stats were all at the end of his career when he was washed up, you limited your argument to those bad years at the tail end of his career.

    Like I said, is Namath a top 10 QB? no, but he does figure in to the top 25 or so of all time. probably more towards the bottom of that list. Namath wasn't even the #1 QB of his own era, that belongs to Unitas.
     
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    Whats scary is namath could make that leaping throw and still put the ball 40 yards down field and on target, his arm was freakish when he was healthy.
     
  15. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    first off, do we need the petty "nyjunk" nonsense? Grow up and have an adult discussion.

    2nd, I didn't narrow the discussion to his bad years. You first brought them up making excuses for them. YOU said to look up the '75 and '76 rosters and when I did I saw the team won at a much higher % when Joe was out than when Joe was in and you didn't like that so you started deflecting w/ the narrowing windows stuff.

    He's not a top 25 QB, I'm not sure if his career is top 50 worthy. Talent wise he's top 10, on physical ability alone he was probably top 5 but again durability counts and he didn't play at a high level long enough.
     
  16. Acad23

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    One thing is undeniable.

    He got it done.

    Can't say that about a lot of other "better" quarterbacks.
     
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    Say no more.
     
  18. Murrell2878

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    Not sure if hes in the top 50? Huh?
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I'd be surprised if he was in the top 50. sorry 2-3 good years doesn't make an all time great. He didn't play at a high level for long enough.
     
  20. Greeny

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    Top 100 qbs for sure.
     

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