There’s not a thousand yard receiver on that list, bro. That means you need a receiver. It’s not a luxury pick at all.
You say Moore was a luxury pick then went off to list a one year journeyman in Cole, a vet on an expiring deal in Crowder, a second round bust and a punt returner as reasons why we didn't need to draft a WR. Seems to me like WR was a need. (It was)
The thing is though... we could nitpick AVT and Moore but as long as the Jets keep nailing solid starters like that consistently with their premium picks eventually the pendulum will start swinging the other way as far as on field performance. What needs to stop happening immediately is dumping all the premium resources into quarterbacks that don't work out. Or any players that don't work out honestly. The last 7 or 8 years worth of top picks for the Jets have been absolutely wretched as far as payoff on the field. So given that I can't kill them for getting Moore and AVT who are obviously solid starters at worst and likely pro bowl level for their peak years.
True but the phins were coming off 10-6 and trying to get a playmaker to get over the hump. That's the time to trade up. Not during a rebuild.
Did we pick a 1000 yard receiver? Davis should be a #2 but he did finish only 23 yards away from a 1000 last season.
The idea in picking him was that yes, he will be a thousand yard receiver. Davis has never broken 1k yards, Crowder has never broken 900 yards and Cole has never broken 800 yards. Berrios is a nice utility 4/5 guy. Mims sucks. So we needed a receiver. That’s not really debatable.
Yeah, we needed every position. But was WR a big position of need going into last draft? No, it wasn't. That was the point.
Yes. There are so many things that this organization and Douglas have done wrong, but it’s strange to nitpick the things he’s done correctly.
I am very very confident that 95% of anyone polled about this would disagree with this sentiment. How in god's name was WR not a need? Again, you rattled off a journeyman, a vet who will be leaving, a bust and a PR/KR... then say a WR wasn't needed?
I feel like it's a hidden camera show. Like who has watched every Jets game so far this season and says "eh, we could have passed on Moore"?
You wanted the Jets to take Devonta Smith dude. A guy who went ten picks later. And you’re coaching everyone up on how we didn’t need a receiver at all because of Keelan Cole? Receiver is now a premium position in the NFL much like left tackle, quarterback, edge and corner. You need a bunch of good ones. Not a bunch of guys who can start at the top 2 positions on maybe 5-6 of the worst teams in the league.
A journeymen - you mean the guy JD just paid 37 million for three years? A vet who will be leaving - you mean our leading receiver who might have stayed if JD didn't slash his contract in half after teams caps were full? A bust - you mean JD's 2nd round pick who we expected to break out this season? Its fun to pretend 13 games into the season that our WR room was as bad off as other positions last draft. You might notice JDs mistakes factor into every receiver struggle we have.
I never said we didn't need a receiver because of Cole? I said by the time the draft came around WR was one of our more solid positions. Also, Smith is a genuine XYZ receiver, a true #1, with the potential to develop into the best in the league. Moore is not a number 1. He simply strengthened an already solid core. A core that would be much more successful with a decent QB.
No, Keelan Cole, the guy who is on a one year deal that will undoubtedly be on a new team next year... hence journeyman. Yes I'm sure Crowder would sign up for round 4 of consistently rebuilding when he has the talent to be a contributor on a contender. And using common sense... if they slashed his contract while he was under contract then they either a.) are going to lowball him and he walks or b.) won't try to resign him at all. Looking at Crowder as a key cog of the future is something only you're doing. Finally got one right! But at the same time the coaching staff/front office clearly knew the deal with Mims as evidenced by him running with the 3's in practice. So just because we thought Mims was a solid part of the rotation doesn't mean that he actually was. And they knew that. No matter how you slice it, watching the Jets play football last year and thinking WR wasn't a need on top of watching the Jets play football this year and thinking we didn't need Moore is asinine.
Devonta Smith likely weighs less than Moore. He also has only 163 more yards than Moore despite costing a top 15 pick. He’s started 6 more games and played in 2 more overall. Doesn’t seem like good value all things considered. Especially considering you wanted him at 2.
Moore was probably Douglas's best pick last draft and don't say we didn't need a receiver. Moore is going to be a star in this league.
You can make stats say anything. More starts huh? Smith has been targeted a whopping 5 more times than Moore, and is doubled or bracketed by the safety most of the time (Moore has never been doubled). So 5 more targets - wow. He is used like a true #1, to help scheme holes for others - including the running game, while still be a genuine threat. Before the Jets game he had nearly as many yards as all other Eagles receivers combined. He plays on a run first team, whose QB is Lamar Jackson light, yet he still on pace for a 1000 yards. And he's not missed any time due to injury. He has provided exceptional value for the Eagles.
So he has five more targets, with far better quarterback play. The first bold is completely unverified and given your bias in the matter, I find it hard to believe that a rookie receiver like him is “doubled or bracketed by the safety most of the time.” The second bold is just nonsense. He’s not Randy Moss with Culpepper back there winging him the ball to rip the top off the defense. Smith appears to be a good player. The statement wasn’t to demean him. But you wanted the Jets to desperately use a top FIVE pick on him and at that time apparently we needed a receiver. Now you’re bitching about using a SECOND ROUND pick on a receiver that appears to be a pretty damn good player because we have Keelan Cole, Jameson Crowder and Denzel Mims on the roster? Your argument is silly especially given what you wanted the team to do all off-season.
