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so it's based soley on 1 companies interpretation? I know PFF is a decent reference but it's not the end all be all and surely they've made their mistakes. I remember 1 game Q was dominant and they gave him like a 60 and got bombarded by jets fans and changed it to an 80 or something. also pass blocking is like half their job. You also aren't accounting for all the injuries, teams who's o-lines have been healthy will rate higher. Also doesn't account for the Qbs. teams with better QBs will rate higher. even madden for all it's issue added a perk system that acknowledged it. tom brady had the perk that the o-line blocked better for him. there is a reason all the NE lineman that left NE sucked after. it's because brady made them look better by being decisive and getting the ball out fast. I mean even with the giants their o-line looks much better with tyrod at QB then DJ. there was that 11 sack game and I counted 7 that were on DJ. If you are basing it on PFF alone, you really don't have an argument. Go watch other teams play, hell go read other teams forums. Very few teams are happy with their o-line

 

thats if we get good o-line. the issue is we haven't. Brick was a top LT but not an elite one. he wasn't joe thomas for example. in todays NFL brick would likely be the best LT out there. the quality of o-line has gone down as a whole. the giants for example have tried as well and have a worse o-line then us with more resources. 2nd OA LT, 7th OA RT, 2nd round OC, 2nd round OG, and quite a few high priced free agents in the past 5 years. all teams are struggling

 

exactly. mac left us with nothing. never invested in o-line. felt he can find good ones later. only used a couple of late picks on o-line. JD had to replace everyone when he got here and so far he signed a top OC and top OG in free agency, used 2 1sts and a 2nd for OG, OC, and OT. used 2 4ths for OTs, and signed mid tier OTs (moses and fant) and took a flyer on Kalil and Brown. He's used resources and improved the o-line

 

that could be it, or it could just be the builds of the players. NFL players as of late have all gotten smaller and faster as a whole on D, but o-line has remained pretty constant in size. back in the days a 265lb edge rusher was small, now they are considered ideal size. there aren't a lot of 6-5 300+ lbs elite athletes out there who want to play football.

 

again are you accounting for all factors? our o-line was pretty good last year until we lost most of them and were starting PS players. even this year after brown was out and tippman came in the o-line was good those 2 games. then injuries happened. you can't blame a GM or even a coach for injuries. it gets to be bad luck. even last offseason due to injures JD said he was focusing on players who stay healthy. he signed laken tomlinson the top OG in FA who hadn't missed a game in 4 years and coming off a pro bowl year, he got hurt and missed half the season. clearly our field sucks too and since we play half our games here that could be a cause again out of anyones control but the owners and before you say "giants play here too" they've suffered an insane amount of o-line injuries as well and the 49ers lost half their defense playing here in back to back weeks. PFF isn't a "reputable source" it's an opinion in a sea of opinions just like mine and yours. You can have yours, I can have mine. thats fine. i'm not going to argue you are wrong but I will argue you are ignoring so many key factors and quoting another persons grade. PFF is no different then say movie critics. If one gives a movie 8 stars and another gives the same movie 4 stars who's to say who is right?

 

pretty much and thats why o-line talent is down. look at joe thomas now. he looks like a TE or big WR. nothing like a lineman. it's not easy being an NFL lineman at all. I have a buddy who was a lineman for arizona state in college decades ago. never went to the NFL. he's 6-6 330lbs. just massive. never seen anyone else in my lifetime that size. It's just really too rare. lots of college lineman are busting in the NFL which si why guys are playing until their 40s like duane brown and jason peters because they are still better then what we have coming out

 

I guess technically he didn't, he just got knocked out of a few games but did start them all. he also had an off year when he was in which was surprising. he's played well this year though.
and regardless of the turf/grass issue an injury is an injury and you can count it. SF went 6/10 due to injuries on the team and nobody was calling their heads. they went 13-3 the year prior and lost in the SB. then went 6/10 after losing like 5-6 players in back to back weeks against us and the giants. the following year they rebounded at 10-7 and made it to the NFC champ game, the year after that 13 wins and NFC champ game which they really lost becuase all their Qbs got hurt and they couldn't throw a ball which prompted a rule change this season about emergency QBs. so yes you can absolutely understand injuries are just bad luck and can't be counted against the teams success.

as far as PFF like I said I understand they have some value, but they aren't the bible. their system is heavily flawed too at times. Breece for example had like a 60 PFF rating in a game where he had 120 yards on 10 carries and a TD lol. Morestead had a 63 rating after he put on one of the best punting performances i've seen in my lifetime this past week. I've never seen 3 punts dropped inside the 5 without needing to be saved by a gunner in a game. it's rare to even get 1 of those in a game. they also don't have 100s of people watching each game and they are all freelancers. anyone can be a freelancer so the quality will differ just like any job. not every plumber is created equal. not every QB is, therefore not every analyst is. Remember when mayock was lauded as a draft expert through all his years and people used him as a "source" then he got a job as a GM and was awful at drafting.

I get you "feel" that way but sometimes feelings aren't really a valid thing. They are valid to the person, but not logcial. you may "feel" the word "moist" is gross but it's just a word that doesn't bother most people. yet some people feel that way and get offended or grossed out by it. I watch the games and with the o-line I see zach getting at least 3 seconds most pass plays, and in the run game we've had enough holes for breece to break some big ones despite stacked boxes. thats more then alot fo teams get. even in KYs pictures you see zach with a clean pocket 2-3 seconds into the play. the ball needs to be out at that point. after 3 seconds it's not really on the o-line anymore in todays football. If you want to go back and watch, take snapshots at 3 seconds into the play and look at the pocket. thats the best way to view pass protection. anyone who isn't already beat did their job

 

lol fair. I misremembered laken for sure. sometimes our memories fail us. thats why going off feelings doesn't give a good guage. i felt like he missed more time then he did, but clearly my feelings were wrong. I think what happens is people watch clips and highlights of other teams while watching full games of the jets and then look at box scores and use that which gives a skewed view of things. Like I said before i got 1 TV with red zone going all day and the jets game for their time slot on the bigger TV, and then 4 game split screen on the other time slot. this week i'll get to do 8 morning/afternoon games at once. Our line isn't worse off then most teams as I watch those game. and o-line is the one thing I really focus on along with the QBs since it's really hard to focus on off ball players during a normal game. even go back and look at the pics KY posted for his zach breakdowns. tons of clean pockets. the standard people seem to have is 2009/2010 jets with brick and mangold and faneca etc etc. we were spoiled. we had an elite OL at a time when olines were better across the NFL. now o-lines are down across the NFL. there isn't a single o-line near the quality we had back then. we have to update standards as times change. like before throwing for 3k yards was amazing and 4k was a miracle. now 4k is the new really good and 5k is amazing. hell we even had a year with 5k passers not to mention TD records shattered. we likely won't see another 50+ yard TD 5k+ yard QB type season in a long long time.

as far as PFF goes they don't have "hundreds" of people. they don't list a number, zoominfo has them at 114 but even then many are going to be execs and web devs and HR etc etc. we don't know how many analysts they have. another site had them at 300 employees. they also change their story a few times or maybe process. 1st it was 1 guy per game and then they were taking on free lancers to do it. then they said 1 per game and 1 reviews their work. this is directly from their site "
PFF employs over 600 full or part-time analysts, but less than 10% of analysts are trained to the level that they can grade plays. Only the top two to three percent of analysts are on the team of “senior analysts” in charge of finalizing each grade after review. Our graders have been training for months, and sometimes years, in order to learn, understand and show mastery of our process that includes our 300-page training manual and video playbook. We have analysts from all walks of life, including former players, coaches and scouts. We don’t care if you played." They took on a lot of freelancers but looks like they don't let them grade suppsoedly? why have 500+ analysts who can't grade? from that it means they only have 60 that make grades and of those 60, 15 of them are the finalizers so really 45 making grades and 15 checking their work by their own admission. and again how true is any of it? it's just their word. so again while it is a good resource I don't think it's an end all be all because at the end of the day it's still subject to someones opinion and hell even with training and manuals and refs and the booth and fans we can't get 60 people to agree on what a catch is sometimes while in slow motion replay lol

I agree with you on some parts. that si why we have a forum to discuss things. which you are doing and I respect that even if we don't agree. much more so then the people who "seagull" post. I do agree zach needs to be more decisive and get the ball out faster but again we are talking about a backup who was the worse starter last year, he's improved but he's not good and will likely never even reach "average" but i'll take below average starter over worst starter by far. If rodgers didn't' get hurt this wouldn't be a discussion at all. the protection was awful last game but the giants have a good d-line and bring alot of heat. dexy, leo (traded after the game), thibbs and they blitz alot and wink calls a great defense. sometimes nobody was open. they were manning up and giving help with GW and none of our other WRs could beat the man coverage really. sometimes the QB just has no options. we also lost so many interior lineman that dexy was credited with 15 pressures. I didn't count them but I clearly seen him blowing up our replacement RG/OC over and over after CMG and schwietzer, and tippman were hurt. it happens but we've been really unlucky. hell last year we were 7-4 with all the issues until we lost breece and AVT in 1 game and we didn't win aonther.

 

that is also a reason late in the games. thats why saleh likes to rotate out on the d-line. a guy who took 40 snaps is fresher then a guy who took 60