You may not need to trade up for Leinart. I doubt you'll need to unless something out of the ordinary happens, or if someone behind you trades up ahead of you. I see it like this... 1. Bush 2. Young / Cutler 3. Cutler / Young 4. Leinart If you want Leinart, you may be able to stay put and still land him. Personally, I think the Jets need to start protecting QB's, instead of manufacturing injured ones..... PHINZ RULE!!!
Now it all makes sense... I forgot you were a Dolphins fan. A fan who watched quite arguably the greatest QB in NFL history go an entire career without winning the big one. The fact that Shula didn't go to, and win several Super Bowls with Marino leads me to beleive that his post Colts coaching career was a complete dissapointment and failure. Perhaps Marino's leagacy lends the perfect counterpoint to my belief that a great QB is more valuable than a great RB.
Yes.... "Run / Stop The Run" are the two key factors to any successful franchise.... Bush is going to be great, that's not a given yet, but a very highly expected reality. Good QB's grow on trees, great RB's don't..... Later...
Are you insane? Does anyone agree with that statement. Good QB's grow on trees? What did the Ravens accomplish in '03-'04 with the best RB and run defense in the NFL? NOTHING! without a good QB you are the Ravens...
Not sure I follow the logic in that. If we're attempting to trade up it's because we are definitely infatuated with a certain player, and in this case it'll certainly mean Lienart. If you look at teams that have recently traded up [from within the top 5 - Falcons/Giants] to the number 1 overall pick, we'll most likely have to part ways with more than just our 1st rounder and Abe. Probably something like a 3rd this year and maybe a 5th next year. I'd still pull the trigger in a second for Leinart. This could be a huge win win for both teams, and give the Texans a huge infusion of pro ready talent immediately. Even if the Titans were to grab up Bush, they'd [Texans] still be in a position to come out of the 1st round like bandits with Brick and Abe. Not to mention the other extra picks. Or they could sit at 1 and draft Bush, who hasn't proven a thing yet, and still has a major question mark over his head regarding his durability to last a full NFL season.
The logic is it gets Abe off our books on 3/3 and gives us a little elbow room if we can do it for Abe and our 4th.
The reason why it's tougher to find a great RB, than it is a good QB, is based on the NFL shelf life of both positions. QB's have much longer careers, and most of the time take longer to develope than RB's. Thus, a good QB may not come full circle right out of the draft.... They are equally as important, but QB's are much easier to aquire.... Later...
How fast can we run to the podium to accept that trade? We get the #1, get their second round pick and get to KEEP the #4 pick..and all we give up is a disgruntled DE and a broken down QB? Where do we sign?
Actually, I think I remember a good Bill Parcells quote, something to the effect, "Great, durable, reliable running backs, who don't fumble are hard to find in the NFL." Hence, that is why Bill brought Curtis Martin here. It has been hard to argue with this decision given Curtis's career here.
Yeah to bad its not gonna happen now. Houston wanted Bryan Thomas included as well but we refused. Now its off..
Oh, believe me I don't have a problem with getting rid of Abe to free up the cap space. Far from it. I just don't see the Jets being prepared to set the precedence of trading up to the the number 1 overall pick, just to turn around and shop it to another team. That was what you proposed, correct? The media backlash alone would be brutal enough to not make a scenario like that, not worth it.
They don't have to publicly shop it at all they can do it after the pick much like the Giants and SD did with Rivers and Manning. If we do it right and get a player the fans think will help along with some value there won't be a negative backlash.
I've felt all along it makes sense for Houston to trade out of the 1 spot. They have Domanick Davis- he's more than serviceable. They need to get better linemen. The Patriots and Buccaneers and Steelers have all won Super Bowls recently with non-star RBs (aside from Corey Dillon in 2004).
I know what you say is true. It has been speculated on. Are you actually pondering that we trade up to #1? This is a debatable topic. IF JETS AT ONE BUSH ELSE PERFORM HOW-DO-WE-PAY-A-QB JETS STAY AT FOUR JETS TAKE AVAILABLE-QB-AT-FOUR PERFORM HOW-DO-WE-PAY-A-QB JETS TRADE DOWN FOR PICKS END-IF;
brady quinn is for real, he's a much better QB than jay cutler...i'm really not that impressed with him, i saw him play in person, and for sure vandy was a crappy team, but cutler seemed to perform well against the kentucky's of the SEC, which isn't saying much, and most of his yards came when vandy HAD to throw i.e. when they were down i.e. every single game! quinn comes from a pro style offense, and if we can get him, DO IT
I don't know what the Jets can do. Much depends on how the Pennington and Abraham situations get resolved. I do think Bush makes more sense in NY than Houston. In the end, I'd like the Jets to stay at 4 and get a QB. Let Bollinger be the backup. The new guy will be 3rd string. Then sign some veteran to play for a year. Houston should trade out of 1 and stockpile picks. They just gave David Carr a lot of money. It'll be year 5- they better start to gets guy in front of him who can block.
