From footballoutsiders.com Quick Reads for this week: 20. Geno Smith Smith's 69-yard touchdown to Quincy Enunwa was a highlight, but he had just one other first down all day. He had four third-down passes, all with 6 yards or less to go, and converted only one of them. 23. Ryan Fitzpatrick Fitzpatrick came out all pissed off and guns a-blazin', going 4-for-4 on his first drive for 46 yards and three first downs, including a touchdown. Then he settled down and reminded everyone why he had been benched, going 5-of-10 for 59 yards but only two first downs the rest of the way, with three sacks. Like his unfortunate teammate Geno Smith, he struggled on third downs, going 3-of-6 for 39 yards and only two conversions, with two sacks. He failed to convert five third downs with 6 yards or less to go. This, Ryan, is why everyone has lost faith in you. On the bright side, neither did as bad as Eli Manning, Carson Wentz, Brock Osweiler, Joe Flacco or Sam Bradford. Ron
The guy that wrote that article seems to not realize that the Jets have been grooming Petty for the past 2 years, and are starting to develop Hackenburg. The Jets already knew that barring disaster, neither would start this year. Fitz was a stop gap and they knew it and nobody could have called the Geno Smith injury. Getting a franchise QB is one of the toughest things to do in today's NFL. Most teams today have issues at QB. The truth is, Fitz was one of the only options out there this year and the Jets only needed him to bridge the gap until Petty or Hack is ready. Plus the season is not over.
I don't disagree. However, Sanchez was a first round choice and as such, a lot of money was invested in him. We saw that when surrounded by talent, Sanchez performed pretty well. When the talent left town, we saw Sanchez wasn't good enough to make up the deficit. Geno on the other hand was a second round pick and so the money wasn't a major factor in the Jets decision making around him. For a guy like Geno, it's really up to him to convince the Jets that he's the guy and he wasn't able to do it. The same goes for Petty and Hackenberg. The Jets don't have a lot invested in these two. Therefore there's really no reason the Jets need to coddle them. If they can play QB in the NFL, it is up to them to show the CS and management, and they can't do that riding the bench.
I don't know how you can say a team is "grooming" a young QB when it uses a high pick on another young QB?
Didn't the Patriots use a 2nd on Jimmy G, and then another 3rd on Brissett this year? Does that mean they are no longer grooming JG? Point being....at a position that important, it behooves a team to groom more than one option. I wouldn't be upset if the Jets drafted yet another next season (unless of course Petty looks great at some point this year).
The Jets ship is lost in a fog bank Very conservative CS not ready to use any young talent unless its absolutely necessary smh Wonder what happens if we are embarassed by the Browns?? Fitz will whine like a child to get another shot...with Uncle Toddy the great decision maker we never know what will happen
You can never have too many young QBs, when you haven't found your guy yet. I figured the ideal situation for next off season would be a competition between Petty and Hackenburg for the starting job. Geno and Fitz will be off the roster, so don't be surprised if the Jets draft another QB next year. Not every team is as lucky as the Patriots where their starting QB goes down and the next one plays better.
lynch was drafted 17th overall and is sitting behind a 7th round QB from last years draft in denver. Goff was the number 1 overall pick and is sitting behind a struggling keenum for the rams. Throwing in young QBs especially in a bad team can ruin their career. look at david carr or every QB the browns have had
to be fair, the pats believe in drafting a QB every year and pretty much stick to that. The jets don't do that 2016 Brisset 3rd 2014 Garrapolo 2nd 2011 Mallett 3rd 2010 robinson 7th 2008 o'connel 3rd 2005 cassel 7th all this while brady was in his prime. They drafted 6 QBs in the past 11 years while having brady starting and winning all the time. Bellichick knows that brady isn't gonna be around forever. he's trying to find a replacement
It used to be pretty commonplace for a rookie QB to sit behind a veteran for 2,3 or even 4 years before starting.
Exactly, which is why I found it ironic that a Pats fan was challenging the approach. the Jets have pretty much done this as well , just without the desired outcome.
I would argue that if you just watch film of Sanchez taking a snap and attempting a pass in his first game as a Jet vs his last, or even his snaps with other teams since then, it's not just that he can't make up the talent deficit, it's that he is visibly worse at playing QB. This regression is the thing that needs to be avoided at all costs. Your other point, about not being terribly invested in Geno, Petty, or Hack, is probably debatable, depending on how much you value draft picks, but I happen to agree with you that they are orders of magnitude different than a high first round pick as far as evaluating a GM or a Coach.
Remember that time the Redskins drafted RGIII and Cousins in the same draft? What were they thinking?!
QB's mentioned are 1st rounders. Again, a lot of money invested. Teams need to make decisions about what's best for QB to protect their investment. No such investment with Petty or Hackenberg. The Giants threw in Eli after half a season and he was horrible. To the Giants credit, they knew they had a huge investment in him, figured out what was needed for him to succeed, and went out and got it the following year. Maybe if the Texans had taken the same approach with David Carr he'd still be playing. Then again, maybe not. No one can explain why a 6th round draft choice is considered one of the best to ever play and why many 1st rounders fail. Or why a 3rd round choice in Seattle can turn a franchise around in his rookie year and win a SB, or why a 4th rounder is doing so well in Dallas. One thing is for sure, none of these guys would be what they are today if they didn't get an opportunity to play.
True but they earned the opportunity throughout camp and in practice most of the time. Lynch had a chance to beat our simian and didn't. goff had a chance to beat out keenum and didn't. dak showed enough in camp that dallas was ok giving him the start and not seeking a veteran QB. Petty and hack haven't done that. they couldn't beat out geno in camp and geno didn't show enough for the team to move on from fitz
I'd say we have enough invested in hack. jets knew they liked him, more then lynch. we could have taken lynch if we wanted. Jets targeted hack and knew they could get him in the 2nd round. Petty we don't have as much invested in, but clearly the jets see hack as a future starter for our team. and a 2nd rounder is a lot to invest. any player in the 1st 2 rounds is expected to be a starter for your team for quite a while. 3rd is kinda iffy. anything 4th or later is a bonus if you get a starter out of it
I've been around long enough, and seen enough different teams employ wildly different draft strategies to recognize that there are many ways to draft successfully. Some GMs like to swing for the fences in the first round-- HOFer or bust. Others like to know they're getting a long-term contributor, even if he's not going to be a star. Some GMs start wild and get more conservative through the draft, some start with high-floor guys and look for diamonds in the rough after round 3. Some are conservative all the way though. Some look for high-potential, high-risk guys all the way into RFAs. Any of those strategies can be successful, just like any of them can be complete failures. Hell, George Allen used to trade away all his draft picks every single year, because he hated rookies--and his teams were still better than the Jets.
I noticed when he was with the Eagles he was able to beat the weaker teams but struggled with the stronger teams. I don't know how a QB regresses unless he has an injury a la Pennington. All motion is relative. Maybe it seemed like he regressed because he couldn't improve with the talent he had (or has) around him. In either case, we agree he didn't get the job done.
Go back and watch his first season with the Jets. His footwork was as good as any rookie I've seen. He only threw behind and low when receivers were crossing the field left-to-right. Later with the Jets, then with the Eagles, his footwork was just awful snap-after-snap, and he ALWAYS throws behind and low. He looked better against weaker defenses because his receivers had more separation and could adjust on those bad passes. I think W.F. Hunter was primary cause of his ruin. When you know you can't take a three step drop without getting decapitated, how can you properly execute?
I can't even begin to comprehend your viewpoint. Players aren't the same. Trying to treat everyone as if they're the same is silly. Who knows why Prescott has played the way he has? Prior to the draft no one thought he would be that kind of QB who could step in an play immediately. Petty has had to learn the offense, adjust to the speed of the NFL, and learn to go through his progressions reading more complex NFL Ds. He hurt his shoulder in preseason and didn't practice for 6 weeks. Bowles said that he has to get back up to speed on his timing with receivers, practice any new plays that might have been installed, and continue his work on reading Ds. He has only been back in practice 2 weeks, and during that time has probably served as the scout team QB and not even been running the Jets' offense. It only makes sense that it would take him some time to shake off the rust and feel confident again. Perhaps Bowles and Mac are being overly cautious, but I'd rather that than throwing Petty and Hack to the wolves. We've already seen that that didn't work for the Jets. Believe me, I never want to see Fitz on the field for the Jets again and think the Browns would be the perfect team for Petty's first start, but better Fitz start than rush Petty out there before he's up to speed, has shaken the rust off, and has developed timing with the receivers. If you throw him out there too soon, he has little or no chance to succeed. Timing is critical for plays to work. If Petty is given the time (I think if he is given all or 90% of the snaps for a week or two, that he will be ready to play), I truly believe that he will show something positive. When players are preparing to play each week, they don't have time to focus on fundamentals. It's well known that Hack is a project. Not only are his footwork and throwing fundamentals in need of work, but he took a pounding his last two seasons at PSU. His accuracy in preseason was only 37%. He'd stand zero chance of succeeding or showing much of anything positive if he played this season. To have any chance, he needs to fix his fundamentals and rebuild his confidence. If the Jets' OL is as shaky as it has been, that could well preclude him from developing.
