haha I dont hate him dude....and I dont mean to come off as argumentative if I am (sAME FOR YOU gm)...all Im sayin is I dont think Vilma fits the 3-4. I am pretty sure tangini is sold on the 3-4....sooooo getting Betts, who I think is solid and the 6 pick for the giant d-lineman that we need is a pretty good deal......and of course we part with our 25 or 23 whatever it is.....mind you ,Im sure this deal is just a silly rumor anyway, but for the Vilma fans to be up in arms like we're trading Wayne Gretzky here is just ridiculous....Ill use my term ad nauseum "good little player"
If we trade Vilma, then who would be our linebacking core? Barton, Hobson, Thomas and either a rookie, or some other person who doesnt compare to Vilma. Yea thats a fearsom Combo. So we would inprove our D-line and regress with our linebackers. Real Fukin smart. But dont worry Johnny.....We'll have BETTS!
Yeah, let's trade a guy who hasn't even hit the prime of his career yet and consider a member from a message board a credible source... Gimmie a break...
dude youve already proven yourself to be a waste of time to argue with....so go stare at your Vilma poster on the wall
If we were to trade Vilma, then we could move Hobson to ILB and draft the likes of Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson to play that speed rushing spot. Alan Branch is not a nose tackle. He's too tall and he plays very high. He also doesn't have a high motor, which a nose needs. I'm for it, especially because it's clear that Vilma is going to struggle in this system because his speed is his forte, something 3-4 defenses don't need from their inside linebackers. I'd prefer that we get Portis, or don't give up the #25 selection, and find a way to better steal a pick and a back from Washington, but if that's what it takes then so be it. I'd say this definitley improves our team and will allow use to use both our second rounders on improving the offensive line and defensive line.
Ok I will say this has as much chance of happening as me banging the hottest chick you could think of this evening. To play along though, you guys have to be crazy not to make this trade. Vilma is a good 4-3 LB but an average at best 3-4 LB. We are committed to the 3-4 and if Mangini doesn't believe Vilma fits that style(which if this happened would be fact) than this is incredible value for an average player that doesn't fit your scheme. Usually though when things sound to good to be true, they are. This seems to be the case..
First off DUDE, I have no ties with any of the players. I want the jets to win, and when you take a leader and trade him, chances are they wont win. If you really think that the jets will be better off without vilma, then you must be pretty slow. Does your brain honestly think that barton(slow) Hobson(slow) and thomas(1 good year) can hold down the middle of the field?
vilma is 25 years old, he will be the cornerstone of our defense and a pro bowler for years.... if we trade him to the f'ing redskins for a backup rb and the #6 pick in an ok draft i would be PISSED
I always like to determine chart value on any hypothetical trade involving picks. In this scenario, the offer reduces down to a value of the #18 overall pick + Betts for Vilma. Extremely fair value in my opinion. I think it would be an excellent move for the Jets to make. It would be a much better move if we can sneak back up and grab Willis at the end of the 1st/beginning of the 2nd (unless the plan is to go with Barton & Hobson inside). However, if we were to go up to #6, I'd want contigencies on the trade (i.e. The player to be named later). Players almost definitely going in the top 6 are Russell, Quinn, Thomas, Branch and Anderson. Peterson, Adams and Okoye(outside chance) could also sneak into the top 6. I would lay out our board to Washington and hypotetically say: 1)If Branch or Anderson are available, we take Betts. 2)If Branch & Anderson aren't available, but Peterson is, we take Player X (to be agreed upon in advance). 3) If none of the above are available, we take Betts.
Vilma is a nice player, he is not a guy who dominates and changes the game. Love to keep him because he is a good role player but he isn't a stud who turns games around.
Please evaluate the speed of the Patriots, and then get back to me. You don't need speed in the 3-4 from your inside linebackers you need bulk. Barton is certainly not slow, evident that he had very good sack numbers from weakside linebacker in Oakland. You need to stop being a crazy fan boy and look into the direction the Jets are going and realize that Vilma really doesn't fit into those plans. I myself only want to see one more year of him before it's time to realize that his success was attributed to two slobs (Ferguson and Robertson) having excellent years in 2004. Vilma is an EXCELLENT 4-3 middle linebacker, but he simply doesn't have enough explosiveness to come up into the hole and push an offensive lineman back.
I'm not sure how I feel about this, I dont think I would do it. I'm not ready to give up on Vilma yet, Magini has to move him outside next season. But I do know, when watching Betts last season he was a beast. Great last few games for him.
do you know what a 3-4 defense is? do you know what 4-3 defense is? step away from the computer for a minute and honestly ask yourself "do I really know what Im talking about here" I bet if youre honest, the answer will be no. now beat it
an excellent summary of the situation for you faze...and thats from a guy with Vilam as his screen name
just because some people can see value in this trade doesnt mean theyre "turning on Vilam" what does that even mean? where do they sell theses green colored glasses anyway?
For playing in the 3-4 for the first time he wasnt that bad. And towards the end of the season, he was definitely learning the system. How about you give him 1 more year, with a big NT thats healthy, and if he still doesnt play well, then you trade him. But we dont want to make a huge mistake, when he is def smart enough to learn how make it in the 3-4
Turning on him? He was down right awful on almost every single down last year. I cant even remember 3 meaningful plays he made all year. I love Vilma, but he was horrible last season. I know he will be better if he is moved outside, Mangini has to make the move. He has to.
It's far more difficult to find DL for the 3-4 than it is to find LBs. But obviously you didn't know that.
But he holds that Defense together. For a while the jets werent giving up that many points, like 10-15 a game. Who is gonna be the vocal leader if hes gone? Unless Rhodes steps up, i dont think anyone else will.
