I don't think we seen enough of him to really make this claim. The offensive scheme, the OC, how they used players on offense, it left a lot to be desired. I'm gonna wait to see how he does with this new regime before I label him anything. I just don't trust that the last CS used him properly.
This is based off of what? One play? They barely had him on the field to make a serious judgement on the kid, but okay.
Obviously the old regime was incompetent offensively (and after Saleh left defensively also), but I don't think they were incompetent to the point where they would bench their own draft pick they have traded up for "no matter what" who they thought was better than Bryan Thomas if he didn't absolutely suck by any standard. In fact, new regime retained the same WR coach, who seems to be pretty good. So, I am convinced Corley did suck last year and it has nothing to do with coaching. However, he was coming from small school and often it takes more time for these guys to become productive. So, I am not losing hope on Corley for this year. With that said I am not counting on him either until he actually shows something he clearly hasn't so far.
Corley is a unique type of luxury player that needs good wideouts around him, but more importantly he needs a great OC that can specifically design plays that create mismatches and allow Corley to receive the ball in open space. Last year during TC Hackett was busy worrying about appeasing master Rodgers, and frankly is one of the least creative OC’s we’ve employed. That said, I’d expect any 1st time unknown OC like Engstrand to be too overwhelmed by the entire process to be putting time in for specific unique players. Especially when said OC didn’t draft the player and has no connection to him. Corley’s success factor requires a great QB and an innovative playcaller like Greg Roman or McVay because he’s so limited on the intellectual side of football. Otherwise he’s just a waste of roster space and was a terrible pick by Douglas. Right now Isaiah Davis fills the “Corley” role better than Corley
This is pretty much where I've landed on Corley, and which even makes somewhat more sense of this Reynolds signing to me (assuming we are also spending another high'ish pick at WR in the draft). You don't get drafted that high and end up with that few touches on a team struggling to find any offensive answers without there essentially being serious underlying outlook issues. He's in all probability another busted out pick for us and i've basically stopped counting him as being a locked in guy in next year's WR room.
You are both probably right. I don't want to give up on the kid early, but Corley's ceiling is likely WR3. He is not very fast, doesn't have great catch radius. I get it Saleh wanted to find another Deebo, but Deebo is really 1 of 1, and even he is not that great if you look at his overall career, at least not great to the point compared to others where he should be some sort of example. If Corley can become a serviceable player this year and beats out Gipson, it will be great. We still do not have a WR2. And I don't really see a path of getting one unless somehow we get fortunate in the draft. Which is why I am thinking, given most likely a lack of a true #7 talent, if we stick and pick, Tyler Warren may be the best bet. He will effectively be a WR2, and between GW, Warren, Breece, and bunch of WR scrubs we have, and maybe another 3d round WR or a cheap veteran, we could have enough weapons. Otherwise without a very good TE AND WR2, we may be completely fucked. It will be GW and Hall. That's not enough.
Indeed, that's why I said if only he hadn't done that, we might have seen a different player, it was absolute stupidity to do that as a celebration.
I just disagree. I watched enough disfunction from that offense to seriously question their ability to actually have a legitimate plan, let alone know how to use the talent they did have. I'll wait to see what comes from the new staff before I label him anything. I feel the same about Ruckert. I think he is way better than he looked with the old CS, I don't think they used him right at all. I'm probably wrong but I do genuinely think both of those guys will do good things for this team with proper coaching.
Well, he did have the lofty name of "YAC King" in college. It must be nice building up that kind of name running over college players. However, as much as I hate to admit it, you're right. It's a better than average bet we have no idea what kind of offensive talent we have on this team. The O-line coach was shit and we saw more than one lineman go on to do much better. I'd wager the rest of the Offense is somewhere between what we saw and a bit better than what we saw. The question comes down to what does that "bit" look like? Shitty thing is, thank to the ridiculously low number of team activities between now and training camp, it's a better than average bet the new coaching staff won't have a solid idea as to what they DO have.
I agree with most this, except the bolded. I think the reason I'm so confident in what they are going to do, is because I don't see a team that is going after the big names, or the guys the media are raving about. They are going after guys that they feel will specifically fit what they are doing, it shows an actual plan developing, a lot of the names that have been brought in have made some of us raise an eyebrow, or two. Myself included, but then I started seeing the patterns in the players they were bringing in, and I simply like what they are doing from a totality standpoint so far. I just think they've earned the benefit of the doubt, until proven otherwise.
typical off season wr signing. good enough to make the team but will leave us searching the waiver wire in week 3 for a player who can actually play.
how do you use Corley “right” though? A: toss him screen passes. you really think he’s gonna run through people in the NFL at 5’11 215? Warren the Penn State TE still has people wondering about how well he will power through people and he’s 6’6 260
Meh just seemed like in order to get on the field, you had to have known the nuances of Rodgers cadence and where he expects you to be off script…I never got a sense last year’s offense actually “ran” anything lol. Guys like Gipson, Corley and anyone not named GW/Adams/Lazard barely touched the field. I hope this offense can scheme guys open and manufacture more ways to get the ball in the hands of the guys who need it and can make things happen.
He is a wide receiver who excels at YAC yards. Coach him up to be an actual receiver, use his strengths, build up his weakness. Also.. You think that 5'11, 215 lbs. player can't run people over or be a good YAC player? Odd statement to me. As for Warren, I don't know why this would be a mystery thing for people to wonder about? He's an elite pass catcher who is probably below average inline blocking and strength. Who is looking at him like he is the next Mike Alstott or Jeremy Shockey?
This is exactly what It was.. It was Rodgers being ANAL about the offense, he only trusted certain players, and It certainly didn't surprise me when Mike Williams was traded after the red line deal. It was obvious to me where the problems were. It was coaching and Rodgers BS offensive scheme. With ZERO accountability from the CS with Rodgers.
Your answer is to teach Corley how to play wide receiver. a wide receiver in the NFL needs to be taught how to play wide receiver. Yikes. we can’t exactly send him to our AA affiliate to learn how to play the game.
If you need to write a scheme specifically for a receiver to be successful, they’re probably a shitty receiver. He’s like Laviska Shenault coming out years ago. His scouting report raved about his gadget versatility and he’s been a journeyman WR4 his entire career. As fun as it was watching him run over guys who are selling insurance right now, I don’t think he’s going to amount to much. Also, I feel like I’ve seen so many prospects compared to Deebo. There’s no player like him. And not for anything but he doesn’t exactly need a scheme tailored to him to be successful - he’s taken plenty of slants and shit to the house in tons of traffic.
I don't think Corley is a guy you build an offensive scheme around but he's a guy that has a skillset that's useful. That doesn't mean he was a good pick where we picked him but these gadget guys have a use with the right team and staff. We'd be foolish to bail after one year especially if everyone's opinion is that last year's coaching staff didn't know their ass from their elbow.
