Jets ruined sanchez

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  1. Bill Belichdouche

    Bill Belichdouche Well-Known Member

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    It's his destiny to be a 49er some day
     
  2. jack handy

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    just shut up. How can you say that he was a great player waiting to happen that the Jets screwed up? Is it his:

    TD passes,
    completion %,
    running,
    accuracy
    leadership
    college resume

    Why is it that there needs to be an excuse why he is not playing well besides his own skills? At some point a player needs to be evaluated on their ability and his is lacking.
     
  3. NFL

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    I agree with you.
     
  4. RobertTheJr

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    His lack of success in the league has predominantly been due to his decision making. Any talent scout can see he has physical talent.

    He hasn't had much success statistically in the NFL and he has crapped it all himself. However, this team has a lot to do with that. You are always going to second guess yourself when your RB's can't get first downs, your WR's can't get open, you can't expect your WR to win a battle, etc...
     
  5. displacedfan

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    There is a thing called "reasons" and it explains why somebody might not have developed. So saying the Jets didn't develop Sanchez correctly is one reason that we haven't seen the QB develop. Somethings are obviously on him, but everyone is looking at this like anytime anyone says "well his wide receivers can't open" that they are absolving Sanchez of all blame. They usually are not. They are providing a reason maybe why nobody is usually open. Sanchez has his faults that we saw every single year with him. He hasn't shown any flashes we saw throughout his second year. Part of the reason we haven't seen these flashes is because he wasn't developed correctly. Say all you want about he sucks, he definitely looks like it now, but it's not like the Jets have put an above average offense around him this year and last year.

    As I keep on saying, what weapons have we got Sanchez that compare to Turner, White, Julio, Gonzalez in ATL. Or Smith, Bolding, Ray Rice, in BAL. Or Crabtree, Davis, Gore, and that D in SF. Or the Bucs even getting Vincent Jackson for Freeman. The Redskins buying up every WR for RGIII. The Broncos trying to get familiar players for Peyton!

    The last two years we expected Sanchez to put the team on his back while undercutting the talent around him. Yes hindsight is 20/20, but I think most people were against Cotch leaving and Braylon leaving. We didn't address LT leaving. We didn't address Woody leaving. We didn't address a lot of things.

    So the Jets while wanting Sanchez to put the team on his back, didn't help him do it. And we now know he isn't a QB that can put the team on his back (NOTICE BLAME TOWARDS SANCHEZ) and struggles without a running game (most QBs do but people seem to think this is Sanchez only). He has trouble with ball security. But at the same time what weapons did we put around him when we figuratively said, heres the offense Sanchez? Tone, Mason, Plax. You know only 1/3 guys Sanchez had success with the year before with Tone/Cotch/Braylon.

    Things aren't black and white. There can be MULTIPLE reasons why something is not working. Look at our offense now. The QB failure, the RB failure, and WR failing to catch and get open. Multiple things lead to failure. It usually isn't black and white why a player is struggling or why a team is struggling even though everyone the board would like to believe that
     
  6. mute

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    I have to agree at least at this point. Every year new WRs, terrible O-line, and .... Schotty. Poor management of a developing QB. Steve Young mention this some time ago. The Jets with a run game focus and D will kill Sanchez' development.
     
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  7. Rex's Sweater Vest

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    I'm sick of this BS, Sanchez had one of the most favorable situations for a rookie QB in NFL history, Only Joe Flacco had a comparable situation as a rookie, with an elite defense and an elite running game, both Quarterback's best friends. Face it, Sanchez isn't good, he can make plays every now and then, but he is not a good quarterback, in order to perform just average, he needs great players around him, this is the mark of a mediocre quarterback, one who will never be great or worthy of being a franchise QB.
     
  8. 101GangGreen101

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    They could of done a better job developing Sanchez can't lie about that one. Made him afraid to make mistakes and grow. If they let him develop with a set of WRs from the get go things could of been different.
     
  9. JET'S_my_name

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    How dare they trade up in the draft, give him multi-millions of dollars, let him play mediocre, then give him a crap load more money to play worse. RUINED I say. /sarcasm

    He needs to play better, period. He's mentally fragile and it shows when things don't go perfectly.
     
  10. mute

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    he needs support period and this is what he doesnt have...
     
  11. Rex's Sweater Vest

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    And you can say this about every single quarterback in the history of the NFL. No young QB steps into a situation that's perfect for their success, and with that taken into account, Sanchez has had a better situation than most. Imagine being a David Carr, a Brady Quinn, a Jimmy Clausen, a Josh Freeman, a Cam Newton, a Sam Bradford, a Matthew Stafford, etc. ALL of these QBs had worse situations than Sanchez coming into the league. I'm tired of everyone but Mark, getting blame for him sucking in his 4th year.
     
  12. JET'S_my_name

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    Support? You mean like an unwavering FO/coaching staff kind of support that wouldn't even give a back-up a 1st team snap in practice until this year? The kind of support that gives you a new contract because you considered a hall of famer as a replacement? Poor guy.

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  13. fozzi58

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    This has got to be the most intelligent post about Sanchez I have ever read. Everything I have been thinking but was never smart enough to put it all together in a single post. Well done.
     
  14. mute

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    look, im not here to argue all day. You know what I mean...

    Look at the WRs, look at the Oline, a change in OC. This is not how you manage a QB. Yes, he has had some success. Went to 2 AFCCG in which he played good and the D not so much.

    The WHOLE point is, Sanchez will flop this year because of poor management period. No fanboy goggles or anything like that. It is as plain as day that the Jets screwed up big time here.
     
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    Only one adjective to describe him: Fragile. And that's one word you can't hear in the NFL.
     
  16. JET'S_my_name

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    I don't want to argue either....and I agree he needs some good help, and that comes from obtaining good talent (which starts in the front office). But let's not sit here and pretend we have Tom Brady back there and it's everyone's fault but Sanchez's. He has to take some blame for his poor play.
     
  17. DoubleDown11

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    Didn't Eli have a similar situation in 2007? The fan base (and even his GM) wanted him gone. He then rebounded mid season of his 4th year. And look at him now.

    Just food for thought.

    BTW: I am not a staunch Eli Manning fan. But when comparing, I think that's something to consider.
     
  18. Br4d

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    Name one. The thing I don't get about the Jets current posture on offense is that I don't think I've ever seen a team that thought it was any good with less on one side of the ball.

    Last year they had Holmes, Keller and a bunch of over the hill free agents with one rookie as the receivers. They had three guys incapable of being a star caliber back carrying the ball for them.

    Last year the talent on the Jets just wasn't there. Two of the over-the-hill free agents plus the best of the backs are effectively retired this year because they weren't any good last year. Holmes and Keller have had injury issues since camp began. They've got another rookie at WR.

    The only guy who looks like he has any upside this year is the rookie from last year, which is about what you'd expect given the way the Jets laid out the talent.

    It's just a pathetic arrangement of talent on that side of the ball and it has been since the 2011 off-season.

    The magical thinking that made this all possible last year was "well, it's Sanchez third year, we'll just put the whole load on him and let him carry us."

    Riiiiiiight.

    This year the magical thinking was that Wayne Hunter was just fine and if we add an injury-prone WR who was never really good in the last place plus a rookie from a college that ran the ball 80% of the time we'll be just fine.

    Riiiiiight.

    You can't make this stuff up. It's like the Jets brain trust is brain dead in a bunker somewhere sitting out the zombie apocalypse while the zombies stagger around on the field.

    Tony Sparano has the reek of Paul Heimerdinger at this point. A guy brought in just before the collapse and handed a set of misfit toys and a broken locker room.
     
  19. TheJetLife

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    Couldn't have said it any better myself. Gotta love him for those two AFCCGs and the good moments we had with him, but he never panned out. The Jets "good" days with Sanchez are already behind us. We have to make quite a few changes to this team, including getting rid of Sanchez and trying someone new.
     
  20. Sweet P

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    This makes sense. I think with a massive pass protecting Oline he coulda been somebody! Look how good he was when we had Woody and Faneca...when the oline was elite!
     

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