Yeah he'll teach him the art of being misunderstood and quoted out of context. Also, how to try and pinch as many dollars as he can. Great stuff. He'll catch a few nice passes, but he'll drop some gimmes while he's at it. Sounds pretty average, right? There's a reason for that.
I just want to start off w/ some situational #s for their careers: when game is tied: Coles: 95 games, 143 recs, 1966 yds, 13.7 avg. 94 FD, 12 TDs Chrebet: 93 games, 104 recs, 1390 yds, 13.4 avg., 72 FD, 5 TDs played 2 more games in this aituation but had 39 more recs, 22 more 1st downs(22 more than mr. 1st down?) and 7 more TDs when behind: Coles: 97 games, 305 recs, 3793 yds, 12.4 avg., 201 FD, 18 TDs Chrebet: 106 games, 303 recs, 3827 yds, 12.6 avg., 191 FD, 24 TDs Chrebet leads in a few categories here but the problem w/ this stat is we don't know if it was garbage time or the game was w/in reason. Even still in 9 fewer games Coles had 2 more recs and 10 more 1st downs(again, he had more 1st downs than mr. first down- how does this happen?) Career #s: 1,000 yd seasons: Coles(9 seasons): 3 Chrebet(11 seasons): 1 edge: Coles Career TDs: Coles(137 games): 44 Chrebet(152 games): 41 edge: Coles career recs: Coles: 631 Chrebet: 580 edge: Coles avg. recs/season: Coles: 70 Chrebet: 52 Chrebet did have 2 injury seasons where he played half seasons so I'll even remove a year for that and Chrebet's avg. recs would still only be 58) edge: Coles avg. yards/season: Coles: 899 Chrebet: 669(737 if we take away a year) edge: Coles avg. per rec: Coles: 12.8 Chrebet: 12.7 edge: Coles 1st downs: Coles(137 games): 414 Chrebet(152 games): 379 edge: Coles TDs: Coles(137 games): 44 Chrebet(152 games): 41 edge: Coles Let's go back to situational stats: 3rd down recs: Coles(116 games): 175 recs, 2222 yds, 12.7 avg., 147 FDs, 16 TDs Chrebet(130 games): 201 recs, 2655 yds, 13.2 avg., 149 FDs, 15 TDs So Mr. 1st down on 3rd downs had 2 LESS first downs than Laveranues Coles? despite 14 more games and 26 more recs? Interesting. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3193/situational;_ylt=Ausod.XpJ8Z9MbNQBjSYWdH.uLYF?year=career http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5107/situational;_ylt=Ausod.XpJ8Z9MbNQBjSYWdH.uLYF?year=career Neither guy was a big playoff performer for us. Both had ONE career 100 yd game, Chrebet had 2 career TDs while Coles had none. I think that is a wash. Let's look at key games to get the Jets into the playoffs: 2001 at Oakland: Coles: 5 recs, 111 yds, 1 TD Chrebet: 5 recs, 83 yds edge: Coles 2002 at NE: Coles: 5 recs, 78 yds, 1 TD Chrebet: 4 recs, 61 yds, 1 TD edge: Coles 2002 vs. GB: Coles: 6 recs, 93 yds Chrebet: 3 recs, 37 yds, 2 TDs edge: even , Coles had more recs and yds, Chrebet more TDs It's not even close.
I'm not a huge fan of Coles but he was miles better than Chrebet. Coles has been covered by No. 1 CB most of his career and Chrebet was matched against Safties and LB's in situational match ups.
It's funny....I wouldn't use "MUCH better" when comparing these stats. Especially considering LC was considered a "true #1" receiver and what was WC? #2 #3? If LC was so great he should be crushing it. But hey you're right. 3rd down recs: Coles(116 games): 175 recs, 2222 yds, 12.7 avg., 147 FDs, 16 TDs Chrebet(130 games): 201 recs, 2655 yds, 13.2 avg., 149 FDs, 15 TDs I want to start my retort with.....149 > 147 regardless of games played. I know..its still early, but I'm pretty sure that's true. Edge: WC I'll poke holes in your stats in a little while. Not that it will make sense to you, but I'll prove my point. Also, please leave stats from LCs days at Washington out of the discussion on some of the stats. That was the beauty of WC....he was a Jet from his first to his last day. He never jumped ship for a perceived better deal and then decided he wanted to come home because the kids at camp were mean to him. Also, you know it is possible to rack up stats and still be useless when needed. Kinda like Chad. But you like Chad too, so that point will never sit well. Again, I'll poke more later when I'm awake. And didn't WC play with Rick Mirer and Ray Lucas? Playing with Mirer was like losing an additional half season of stats.
You aren't quite as cocky as yesterday? I wonder why that is? Washington does count, we are comparing them as players not just as Jets. If it was just as Jets you'd have an argument but overall careers aren't close. I love Chrebet and appreciate what he did but he is a tad overrated by Jet fans.
Yep, typical junc, calling his own victory before the game is finished. Would it matter though? Anything I present you with, you will block out of your mind as taboo. I'll get back to you later, trust me.
I'm not calling anything. I knew this wasn't a contest befroe we began, I am saying you were attacking me last night and now you are running w/ your tail btw your legs. I look forward to the comedy of trying to dispute those #s b/c I have many more bullets to fire so good luck. IF, for some strange reason, you present a clear, effective argument and can sway me I will tip my cap to you. I don't see it happening but you'll have your chance. It would have been nice if you didn't attack me before I presented my argument then maybe things wouldn't get so testy?
Wow, the drama. Junc, lets face it, you and I will never agree on anything, nor will we ever like eachother. It's no bother to me that you find stats that only tell your side of the story and write it off as the only thing that matters. I'll bet you're a real hoot around the water cooler. I don't want your cap tipped at me. What harm would it be to me that some egomaniacal douche-bag on a message board thinks he's more than me? I know exactly who I'm dealing with. But hey, I just sat down at my desk. If you're lucky I'll attack you again later.
Here are the only stats that matter to me as a Jet fan Ranks second in franchise history with 580 receptions behind Don Maynard's 627 receptions from 1960-72. Hell, LC only has 631 how many years later, playing under your favorite Jet QB! Ranks third in team annals with 7,365 receiving yards behind Maynard (11,732) and Wesley Walker (8,306). LC has 8095 as of this moment. Not really much better how many years later? Ranks eighth in franchise history with 41 touchdowns. LC now has 44 TDs. Where's the "much better" junc? Longest career streak of at least one reception was 52 games, from the final game in 1997 through Game 9 of the 2001 season. Registered at least one reception in 148 of the 158 regular-season and postseason games he appeared in. Caught 337 passes that made first downs and 126 passes that converted third downs in his career. If Coles was so much better, as you claim, he should have surpassed these results. A true #1 barely has better numbers than a walk on #2, so how exactly does that make him "much better"? It doesn't. You spend way too much time defending overrated players, just because you "like" them. If that's what does it for you, hey cool for you. Don't think so? OK well you weren't cheering for Pennington right? Yet you started your comparison of Favre and Penny at what? The halfway point of the season? I know you were bitching about it before the guy even took the field for the Jets. Again, picking who you "like" over who has PROVEN to be the superior player before the final game was played. Both receivers had a few injuries that have slowed them in their vet years. As far as Jet receivers go, there is no comparison between the two. Wayne was clutch. He won over coaches, players and fans alike. A walk on. LC will never be known as clutch. So before you use words such as "MUCH better" you should bring something that's ....much better. That mere fact that you think I ran away with my tail between my legs is all the proof I need that you're a delusional jerkoff. I'm sorry I had to wake up and go to work. You seriously need to work on your people skills.
Hey junc, this is kind of a memory test: Remember all the passes back to the LOS from Penny when they needed like...6 yards....8 yards? Talk about bloating numbers, I wonder how many of those passes went to coles that in game-time amounted to nothing more than a ding on your stat sheet? I wonder how many passes WC missed out on because of concussions haha! Not to mention a years with Rick Mirer and Ray Lucas at the healm. Remember that year? Should I go into the short comings of the 3rd overrated favorite of yours? Herm? You have a history of defending the most mediocre of accomplishments.
Seriously? This is what you came up with? :lol::rofl2: I show all the career #s, I show the sitautional stats and how on 3rd downs Coles has done a better job tha "Mr. 1st down" and you come back at me w/ "Ranks second in franchise history with 580 receptions behind Don Maynard's 627 receptions from 1960-72,...":lol: Good job. I'm glad you didn't waste much time posting that. You didn't run away but w/ that reply you might as well have.
If we're just comparing them as WRs, I don't see how anyone takes Chrebet. Coles could do everything Chrebet could do and also get behind a defense for the deep ball, Chrebet simply couldn't do that. Coles isn't an all-time burner or a Wesley Walker type, but if we're comparing him to Chrebet to me it's not even close. And again I loved Chrebet more than Coles, I'm a 6-foot white guy who played WR at D-3 Marist, I can certainly appreciate Chrebet not only making the NFL but having the career he had, still, to me Coles was the far better player.
So what's next? Chrebet played in 152 games w/ the Jets while Coles only played 105? You brought this upon yourself. Don't be so smug next time.
Coles and Chrebet each played particular roles for the Jets... trying to debate who was the better of the two seems kinda unnecessary. They were both great assets to the organization at their peaks, with a lot of heart and left it all on the field. Why can't that be good enough for us as fans.
