I'll take Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal over LC and Cotch without a moments hesitation. Marshall is hands down the best wideout in the NFL right now and while Royal is raw, he has tons of talent and is also a consistent threat to create yards after the catch. LC and Cotch are decent #2 wideouts with Cotchery being significantly better. LC used to run great routes with tremendous precision and he used to have legitimate deep speed. Unfortunately, he's not anywhere close to the player he used to be. I took great interest in watching the Packers receivers on Sunday night and comparing them to our guys last night. I think Cotchery and Driver may be reltively comparable in speed and skill (although Driver appears a little quicker. Jennings, however, is so much faster (and quicker) than any receiver we have going right now. He's a legitimate deep threat who can also take a short slant the distance on any given play. I hope Clowney comes back soon. He reminds me a bit of Royal in that he has the moves and quickness to get good separation from DBs. While our guys made some plays, they did look slow to me.
Toomer has had a better career than Coles Cotch is better than Coles. Toomer is still today better than both of them.
Den throws the ball alot, they have played together, they should be putting up much better #s. That doesn't mean their duo is better than ours. Royal has barely played and his on pace for a Cotchery like season last year but I doubt he keeps that pace up. Marshall last year had a good year, #s very similar to Cotch but Cotch averaged almost a yard more per rec. it's amazing how we see players or teams for a week or 2 and we make long term judgements rather than taking into account what proven players have done and are continuing to do. Both coles and cotch can get downfield and both can take short slants and go a long way. We have seen that through their careers and this year in limited opportunities. Give these guys time to work w/ favre before we make these judgements. Toomer at his peak in the early 90s may hve been slightly better than Coles has been but he's not close now. Toomer hasn't even had as much as 800 yds receiving since 2003. Coles in 12 games last year w/ awful QB play had almost as much production as Toomer in 16 games- sliughtly less recs & yards but 3 more TDs and this year despite not playing at all in preseason and playing w/ an new QB in a struggling offense he has more yds, Yards per rec and as many TDs.
I'll take Toomers 7 TD's 13.9 YPC and 582 yards in 9 playoff games over Coles 0 TD's 11.1 YPC and 234 in 4. Stats aside Toomer makes big plays always has Coles is a nice tough possesion WR who's in serious decline and is no longer a No. 1 WR. Toomer has moved to a number 2 guy and is still every bit as good as Coles. You could replace Coles with an older Toomer on the Jets and not miss a beat. By the way Coles had about 650 last year.
Toomer has played in a much weaker conference and division for most of his career. His playoff #s aren't good and neither are Coles. They each have 1 100 yd game but Coles has played in 5 less.
You told me last year the Jets were as talented as the Giants leading up to the game. A completely laughable argument. Coles and Cotch are good NFL possesion WR. Coles is in serious decline and his play is at best mediocre right now having less to do with Favre and more to do with his own loss of focus. The guy finishes about 20% of his routes now. The NFC East is arguably the most balanced and toughest division in football and has been for a couple of years now. Washington, Dallas and Philadelphia have all had good pass rushing teams and pretty good cover guys. The AFC East has been a one team division now since 04. You have consistently put down the talent level on the Giants. I understand that but its clear after last year and the early part of this year that the NFC East is the best division in football with more overall talent than the AFC East. I remeber you lauged at me before the Giant game last year when I said that we weren't in the same league as them talent wise. You simply aren't objective when it comes to the Giants. Scroll down if you want to deal with the truth. http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=25537&highlight=Giants
At that point Eli was nothing more than mediocre while Chad was a very good QB when healthy, we had a RB who carried the Bears to a SB the year before, the differnce was the OL after we let Kendall go. The Giants weren't 14-2, they squeaked in at 10-6 and got hot at the right time. They aren't amazingly talented. You are a giant fan, you ALWAYS talk about how good the giants are when, until Jan/Feb of last year, they have rarely been better than us in the past 10-11 years. You ALWAYS speak glowingly of them when they nevere earned that praise. I hate the giants and maybe I underrated them b/c of that but last eyar's SB team was not a team w/ amazing talent, they came together at the right time and played their best football when it mattered but they didn't win b/c of talent. if that was the case they never would have beat Dallas.
^ ding ding ding winner!!!! ^ i was wondering when someone was gonne get it right. with no time to throw (see ny jets circa 2007) and no serious run threat (see ny jets circa 2007) the passing game almost never has a chance 2b dominant over the course of an entire game. and thats exactly what we needed monday night when shotty 'opened it up'. the only historical exceptions where the oilers/bills run and shoot and the greatest show on turf run and gun. as the season progresses look for our ol to gel, giving favre more time to pass and tj more holes to totally miss.
Good option, but I don't think we need to put more money into the WR position. Its not that big of a need. Stuckey should be just fine. I just think we need to put a young Guard on the OL that can play at a pro bowl level. Im not really hyped by the play of Woody and Moore.
The Giants front 7 last season was one of the best of all time. Osi, Tuck and Strahan would all be the best players on the entire Jets roster. That's not an exaggeration either.
Favre has had plenty of time to throw, they are struggling to adjust to each other and knowing where his recievers are going to be. We saw that alot on Monday in particular. That SHOULD come w/ time but hopefulyl we don't run out of time.
I didn't mean to insult your Giants. Obviously they were one of the most talented teams of all time which is why they destroyed their competition en route to 10 wins and smoked the competition in the playoffs winning by an average margin of 5 PPG. They were absolutely great but they had those guys togteher for years and didn't win a playoff game, why was that? why did they only win 10 games? why did we have a chance to beat them? why did they struggle w/ Miami?
we have known this for years that jet WR's are best known as the 1A type of receivers.... not quite #1 quality but a shade better than #2 quality. the jets can do just fine with what they have the trouble is they absolutely need.... - pass protection - a TE - and a #3 that is almost as good as the starters. once the jets get keller/baker more in the passing game and "discover" a #3 they will make strides in the passing game and put pressure on opposing defenses. jil
I don't see how people say the Jets are quality at wideout. Coles is in decline. He was injured a good chunk of last year, and is not playing well this year. I would not be surprised if he soon loses his starting position. It has nothing really to do with him getting in sync with Favre. He is just plain on the downside of his career. I have been a big Cotch fan since being annoyed Herm did not try to use him better, and how he broke out in Mangini's first season as HC. But the reality is he is a classic #2 WR, and not a downfield burner. Meanwhile at the most important bench position in the NFL, that being #3 WR, the Jets have not had a good one since Chrebet got too hurt to continue. Stuckey finally may be that guy, but imo he's not the burner the Jets really need. If in fact Clowney comes back and fills that role, well yeah, that would be great, but that's a big if right now. Right now, the Jets have a mediocre WR corps. I know the stats are not the whole answer as to understanding what is going on, but it is interesting that Favre right now is rated #10 overall at Qb, while the Jet receivers are rated #16. Qb rating is an imperfect one, of course, but it does show how completion percentage and TD v. Int ratio stacks up against other Qb's, while receiver rating is based on total yardage. Perhaps the difference is game planning, picking the short pass, but the other explanation should be obvious - the Jet WR's do not make as much of their receptions as receivers on other teams do, and do not match with yardage production the performance of their Qb.
