The issue to me is whether Mac is up to the task. He sh*t the bed picking Hack in round 2 when he could have selected him a few rounds later. I've heard the arguments that if you really like a QB you just take him. How the hell did he like Hack that much to select him WAY ahead of where everyone else thought he'd go? What does that selection say about his ability to evaluate QB's? For all he good Mac has done he screwed up big time with Hack. Either he has no ability to evaluate a QB or he completely believed the moron scouting dept that told him Hack was so good he could pick him a few rounds too early because his play would justify the dumb selection. Either way Mac has huge egg on his face from this pick and we absolutely should question his ability to pick the right QB in the 2018 draft.
For all the evaluation purposes, QB is an exception, not the rule. Bill Walsh is about the only person I could think off my head that could see a QB and formulate an offensive plan suited for the kid. [The current WCO looks this way because Montana - or make that Virgil Carter, as a matter of exactitude - didn't have a rocket of an arm - that Kenny Anderson had. As for Kenny, he racked up near 450 yards through the air on Monday night, for instance, under Bill's guidance. Bill just suited the offense to Joe, not the other way around.] And if that doesn't please you, look around and see how many teams successfully drafted that elusive franchise QB. [Even the great Belicheat lucked into Brady, but other than that, his QB picks are all shit. Every single one of them.] So - blaming Mac because Hack didn't work out is - not really conducive to success whatsoever moving forward. They thought they had their kid - and the jury is still out. Not an ideal position, but I am not going to blame the GM for taking the shot, and I am definitely not ready to blame the GM for but one stinking pick - especially after a lot of good that he did, like shedding the suck, and finding contributors from salvage dumpster and last-minute trades and whatnot. Most of all, his cap management [another important aspect of GM responsibility] is light years ahead of Tannyball.
Ah yes the early rebuild without a qb that will be great but hinder our ability to get one. Team will get great, have Ryan mccowntrick at qb and go 6-10 to 9-7 for 5 years than be right back here yaaaaaaay
You make some valid points here. But when a 1st rounder fails they are replaced immediately. Examples are Matt Leinart, Rex Grossman, Brady Quinn, and my favorite Ryan Leaf. So yes they are given preferential treatment in the short term, but in the long run they are dropped like a bad habit when they don't perform.
Your argument is very logical and you may be 100% correct. But don't you think after all this time that both Hack/Petty should have shown the coaches something to get McCown benched by now? After that dumb interception against the Dolphins, if I was the coach I would bench McCown on the next dumb interception he throws. Maybe then Hack/Petty can all show us how good they really are.
I believe Kelly Holcomb was the backup for the Colts in '98.... Peyton Manning was a once in a lifetime prospect drafted #1 overall. I'm pretty sure he was a LOT better option. You don't just hand a QB the starting gig. They have to be ready, have to be better, or at least have to show a ton of promise to be better.
There is two states of being in the modern day NFL: 1. You have an All Pro caliber QB (and are therefore not rebuilding), or 2. You do not have an All Pro caliber QB (and are therefore rebuilding) We do not currently have an All Pro caliber QB, so we are rebuilding. We will continue to be rebuilding until we acquire one. Nothing else matters.
Idk about that anymore. All the good QBs are in the NFC Rank the AFC QBs right now: 1. Brady 2. Ben 3. Carr? 4. Smith? 5. Rivers? Brady & Ben are old
I so hope you're right. That was my version of the tank getting rid of Bowles and Macc. Winning anymore games might give them a longer rope. Losing the rest might expedite their exit. Then we can get a coach with a clue and a less nerd GM.
Well, I doubt that Hack has because, while he showed improvement in TC and preseason, he still showed that he is obviously not ready to play. Also, being 3rd string and getting nothing but scout team reps, I don't see any way that he could have showed anything. Do you really think that in getting only a few snaps a week in practice, Petty's going to be able to show enough to get McCown benched? Sorry, but imo that is not reality at all. Also, it appears that Bowles doesn't like Petty. He gave him short shrift in the QB competition in TC, and showed clear favoritism towards Hack. Petty still played well and showed his potential and ability. I doubt that Petty would have started even if he hadn't gotten injured towards the end of preseason. With Bowles coaching for his job and career, there's no way I believe he'll give Petty a shot unless ordered to, McCown gets seriously injured, or the Jets have only 3-4 wins with 4 games left in the season. If I was the HC, if Petty's level of play was even remotely close to that of McCown, I would have started Petty to open the season unless I was concerned that the OL might get him killed. Some posters have posited that the Jets went with McCown to help get the offense in sync. That line of thought has some merit, but again after two bad losses to open the season, where the offense played better than expected, I probably would have switched to Petty, or if not would certainly be switching after the next dumb interception. It's one thing for a young QB to make a mistake like that, but there's no excuse for a 38 year-old veteran to make mistakes like that.
We are stuck in mccowntown USA until he starts sucking badly or gets injured, figures the guy who always gets teams number 1 picks has finally put it together for our New York jets. So stoked to be 3-4 instead of 0-7, I seriously don't know if I could have survived without such a thrilling home opener win over the dolphins, these wins over the dolphins browns and jags are going to be looked back on the same way all our wins in the mariota year are looked upon, as completely franchise altering failures
Then why are Petty and Hack still on the roster? Why didn't Mac trade Petty when he had the opportunity last offseason? Why draft a Qb at all if they're not in the top-3 spots? If the Jets actually feel like your statement, unless they're in one of the top 3 draft spots they're doing any young college QB a disservice by drafting him unless that kid is a day one starter like Manning. They should just continue buying their starting AND backup Qb's on the FA market, drafting BPA-D and skip the developmental part since they suck at it anyway. The Jets don't draft generational players and in particular, generational QB's. This is why being a young Qb on the NY Jets is a career killer.
Well Hack and Petty are on the roster for their unrealized potential. Hack showed us in preseason he is nowhere near ready. Petty I think we'll both agree is much further along than Hack at this point. Petty got garbage time duty last season, and I expect he''ll get it again this season, likely after our bye. Short of outright winning a job in camp, what's wrong with a young QB gaining some experience this way? I don't understand your question about needing to take a QB top 3. It doesn't matter to me where a QB was drafted, how big their contract is, or how old they are, so long as they earn the starting job. I'm a believer in playing the best player. The other 52 guys deserve that.
Well, if the Jets are going to draft a QB, he'd have to be a day one starter in order for this CS to give him real playing time. That level of talent can be found in lower rounds but the Jets don't have the kind of scouting that can identify and find it or a FO/CS willing to gamble on drafting it. Explains why no matter where they draft a QB, chances are he'll just be another casualty unless he's top 3-5 overall and since the Jets always draft D first, the result is consistently bad. Again, the Jets don't do young QB's any favors. Particularly by not playing them in meaningful games. You can only learn so much by running scout teams, studying playbooks and watching film. You have to put that knowledge to use to actually see what your capabilities are outside of the "lab". You get better at a job by actually doing that job. I'm a believer in experience being the best teacher and there's only one way to get and learn from it. That is by doing the job or in this case, actually playing the position. By the time they got around to playing Petty last year, the team had already quit on the season. The FO/CS will never admit it though. The vets didn't give a shit and the young players followed their example. Petty got abused because the GM didn't want to risk Hack (2nd rd pick). Now we're gonna see a repeat scenario where the team will be out of contention but expect to do a real evaluation of a young QB with a barely interested team. Even then, that's contingent on McCown getting hurt because as long as Bowles' extension hangs in the balance McCown is gonna play. The Jets should just stick with what they're reasonably successful at. That is, buying their QB's on the FA market and drafting D first no matter what. Its what they do best. Its really not about the young QB BtQ. It wasn't last year and its not this year either. I wonder if it EVER was a priority. Gailey certainly didn't think so and I think that Neanderthal was the worst thing that could have happened to both Petty and Hack. 2 years wasted out of their careers. Prime years where if they were with a team that actually valued young QB's, they could have been a lot further along than they are now. Too late now though as both Qb's will just join the long line of other young Qb's careers ruined by neglect. Our only hope is that Morton is paying more than lip service to the concept of QB development. If so, he'd be the only one on the CS and in fact, might be the first in a very long time.
Playing a rookie/young QB in the last few games of the season is fine for getting some experience, but not really for developing a young QB. By the last few games of the season when the team has been eliminated from the playoffs, they aren't "real" or normal games. A lot of players have gone into coast mode or have quit on the team. When you draft a young QB, and you bring in a JAG, the idea should be to play the young QB if he's at all ready to see the field, try to develop him and build the offense around him. There's no point in playing the JAG as he isn't the future, and you're not going to build your offense around a JAG. The point can fairly be made that the other 52 guys deserve to play with a QB who possibly has a future with the team and you're building towards something, not some JAG who's trying to earn one last contract and who probably isn't going to be with the team the next season. When you have a young team, you want them to grow together, so that the offense is in sync with the way the young QB plays, and he develops chemistry and timing with all of them. There's little point in playing an older one-year rental and trying to develop chemistry and timing with him, unless you don't have another QB who can play, or your HC is coaching for his job and his career and doesn't want to rely on an untested rookie. Even in the latter situation, the GM ought to be able to overrule the HC and order that the young QB be played and developed. Winning with a one-year rental at QB doesn't give a clear picture of the HC's abilities or the offense's with the young QB. When one is in doubt about that young QB's ability to be the starter, it's even more important to get a clear, detailed and accurate look at that young QB to see how he handles different situations, how the team responds, and how he plays. It's a complete waste of a season to play a 38 year-old JAG.
I feel the best time for petty is after the bye week. That will give him 6 games to prove himself. It will be enough to judge if he is improving from week to week. Actually I was expecting to see Josh in a wheelchair by game 7. Hope petty gets his chance. I know some will say the players will quit by week ten, but I don't think so. Last year's players I would say they gave up on the year, but we have a much better group of young players who are out to prove themselves. We need to Draft a qb and let petty, hack,and our Draft pick go head to head....may the best man win.
It isn't a waste to play McClown. He is helping develope players on our offense. It's a waste to play Quackenberg. All he would do is hinder the development of WR's, TE's, and RB's in the passing game. Playing Petty behind this shit O-line, would not be helpful to him. McClown has played on shitty teams, with crap lines, crap skill players etc.... Bad as I hate to say it, without McCown, our offense is 3 and out most of this season. How's that for hindering development? Hell, petty might learn to play QB watching and talking to McCown. Petty could take over for him, Hack on the other hand.... Haha We can spend 5 straight top 3 first round picks and never get our "Franchise QB", due to the overall offense ineptitude on this team. Until we get an offensive minded head coach, or atleast a coordinator that can help develope a QB, we will never have one. Playing Petty or for heavens sake Hack, will hurt this team in more ways than losses or their individual development. McClown is what's best for our team right now going into the future.
