You can trade down and grab Warren or Loveland, and land a Tackle in the range of Zabel, Connerly, Cam Williams, Ersery, Saavainaea with our 2nd round pick.
I am beginning to think the same way as well. There aren't great WR prospects at the top. There is no Bryan Thomas or anything like that. And WR is the biggest need we have, that's where we downgraded the most. The highest probability of a getting a good WR2 would be to get MULTIPLE guys with potential and hope one will emerge vs picking someone higher in this draft.
I like Warren and I think he’ll be a good player but I’m also not really sure he’s worth a top 10 pick. If you take him in the top 10, he better be a devastating run blocker. I don’t see him being a dominating pass catcher (albeit probably a very good one) because I don’t think he plays as fast as he times and I don’t think he’ll be able to break tackles as much as he did in college.
Top 6, in any order: Ward Sanders Carter Hunter Campbell Graham No offers for a trade back. Where do you go? This is where I’d be ok taking Warren and hoping he lives up to what we saw on tape and more.
It feels like there isn't really a true blue chip guy at #7. There are some good prospects though. Graham, Warren, Membou are all solid picks. But really ideally would be to trade back some and get another 2nd or 3d. Is Graham really that much better than his teammate Grant? Especially next to Q, where we need a bigger dude, and Graham is a under 300lb. Maybe he is, but most likely he will not even be there at 7. If we could trade back and get someone like Grant AND another 2nd/3d that's probably the best case scenario. Though I will not be unhappy with any of the aforementioned guys.
He does look good. Not ideal height and arms, but not that far off. Crazy athletic in his movement. And he is still 20 years old for a few more weeks. Thick and heavy too at 332lb, would be a good compliment to Olu. definitely worth some consideration.
I think Will Johnson sneaks in to that top 6 somewhere. I’d probably take one of the remaining tackles whether that’s Banks or Membou if he’s the real deal. I am not sure why we’re devaluing RT on this board. We watched a playoff roster crumble because of a right tackle named Wayne Hunter. The Saints always made sure Brees had two good to great tackles. Same with the Colts and Peyton.
Let's also not forget that Olu is not exactly an iron man. He has a lot of questions to answer still, including durability given his serious injury last year. You do not want scrubs at both OT spots in case he is injured again. And Membou at 20 yeas old can probably be taught to play LT too eventually if needed. JC Latham and Taliese Fuaga last year were starting at LT and did pretty well. Both played RT is College. Will Johnson is another interesting guy. Is there a world where we draft him and move Stephens to FS? Probably not my preferred option but anything is possible if they think is he the next Sauce.
I’m not devaluing it in the draft as a whole I’m looking at the board and seeing talent on day 2 that can start at RT. I’m also not even against taking one at 7 overall but there’s a lot of things shaping my opinion. Passing on Lamb for Becton. Passing on Bowers for Olu. Very aware it’s not logical but passing on Tet or Warren for a right tackle and having either of the two of them be all pro might break me. Also outside of Detroit, ironically, how come every other good offensive line has solid players at every position without having to use multiple first round picks on them? Taking one seventh overall would be three first round picks in the last five years used on OL. I would love to for once to be the team plucking talent on day two or three (not even going to include free agency because we see how that went) and taking studs elsewhere instead. bottom line is there are very few ways we can fuck this up but I definitely have my preference
Interesting take. I see the exact opposite. Had over 100 catches and almost all were with his hands, never catching with his body. Has a great understanding of zone coverage and I haven't seen a LBer who was able to stick with. He outruns them and is too big for CB's. If anything, he plays faster than his time. How many TE's line up at QB/RB and are able to actually be a force running the ball from that spot at a top D1 program. I can't think of any. Finally, the guy is a freaking athlete. Was originally a HS Qb and D1 caliber basketball recruit. He has Gronk vibes at the NFL level... We'll see...
We’ve done the day 2 and day 3 offensive tackles for a decade and we end up with Brandon Shell’s and Carter Warren’s. I’m down with investing heavily into the position at this point. Just like receiver I like the depth at TE deeper down the boards. I wouldn’t jump on a top skill position player this year. Gronk is such a unicorn though. He looked like he ran in quick sand but used his body so uniquely to shield defenders with one of the most accurate passers ever allowing him to take advantage of it. I don’t see a lot of quick twitch out of Warren. He’s straight line fast when he gets rolling and if you’re right about dissecting zones (and probably are) he can shred defenses. The lining up anywhere thing is cool and all but that gimmicky stuff ends up being relatively useless everywhere until you have a top 5 offense and the defenses have to protect against the threat of the traditional offense first. Penn State’s offensive coordinator learned under Lance Leipold at Kansas and they do some of the wildest shit in the country. Warren lined up at center against USC, snapped the ball and caught a 30 yard touchdown as an eligible receiver. That stuff doesn’t really happen in the NFL as cool as it is.
That Patriots WR room is bad enough that at this point I can easily see them taking McMillan at #4 (Hunter will be off the board by then) and after continually striking out on every better free agent they've tried to sign in FA to give Maye his #1. Especially since don't see SF actually trading away Aiyuk either, and which seems to be their reach'y fall back plan atm. I'm also starting to buy into the mock logic that that sees the Raiders chase the flashy pick and take Jeantry at #6. So yeah, if NE don't end up drafting tackle I think the Jets ultimately end up getting the choice of either Campbell or Membou at #7. And it should be OL again imo.
I’d be shocked if the Pats take McMillan at 4. Vrabel is their coach, he’s a ground and pound guy. They will take offensive or defensive line I think
Stop being “dramatic”. Not drafting a QB this year has less to do with Fields and everything to do with next year’s draft class.
I disagree. There’s WR quality in the 2nd and 3rd. Whatever WR we draft is going to have to be a contributor, if not start. I don’t think they will wait til the 4th round to address the position. I’m will to bet right now we draft a WR w/n the 1st 3 picks.
Graham is 3 technique just like Quinnen. Great player but don’t see how he is a perfect fit. What we need in terms of fit is a 1 technique. There are plenty of those available in the later part of this draft,
Who are you looking at there though? I think McMillan, Golden and Luther Burden are all gone in the first. EE from Ohio State is a fringe first rounder maybe first couple picks of the second. I’m not a big fan of Restrepo (think he gets pushed around at the next level and won’t make contested catches) or Tre Harris (limited route tree, really only a deep threat at this point). I don’t know enough about the kid from Utah State that everyone has flying up the boards. That pushes me into landing one of the guys I mentioned in round 3 or 4.
