The D's job to to allow less pts than the other team, they didn't do that and they allowed our opponet to hold the ball for 40 mins in a 60 min game. They did NOT do their job. The O was terrible and they deserve their share of the blame but we went in w/ an ultra conservative gamplan designed to win the game on defense and we did not do that b/c the D was putrid on 3rd downs. Of course they did, we had an O w/ an extremely conservative gameplan that could not get into rhythm b/c the D could not get off the field.
The D gave up 10 points which was less than the average per game of the #1 defense in the NFL. The Jets defense gave up 19 PPG in 2010 and only 10 in wk 1. The offense averaged 22.9 PPG and only scored 9 in week 1. Which one exceeded their 2010 totals and which one did not? The offense did not score one TD or sustain one drive for more than 35 yards or 3 ½ minutes. Had the offense kept the ball for more than 3 ½ minutes at any point in the game then the defense wouldn’t have been on the field for nearly 40 minutes. 42% of the entire offensive production came on 4 plays which is inexcusable. The D was terrible on 3rd downs, but that is not a viable excuse for the offense and their horrific play on the field. Maybe it would be if the offense was given terrible field position all game. But they weren’t. In 2010 there were 80 times where a team allowed 10 points or less in a game. In only SIX of those instances did the team who allowed 10 points or less lost. Ironically the Jets lost in THREE of those six instances (Bal, GB & Mia). So giving up only 10 points should guarantee victory (a 92.5 winning %) unless you are the Jets defense.
Awesome but each game is different. Some games you can give up 30 and win, others you can give up 10 and lose. They allowed Baltimore's offense to dictate the game.
Scoring 10 points is not dictating the game. The Jets offense did not do their job that night. If they had sustained a drive for more than 3 1/2 minutes then the defense wouldn't have had to keep going out on the field with a very little break. Drives of 2:23, 3:06, 3:23 (the longest Jets drive of the game), :49 isn't getting the job done and forcing the defense back out onto the field too quickly. Those were the drives that we had in the first half minus the FG we got after the first Ravens turnover. Then they had a :52 drive on their first drive of the 2nd half. Pathetic play by the offense cost us the opening game.
That's because our Offense was doing squat all night and put our defense on the field way too much. If the O sustained any drives, the D would be better rested and may not have been left out to dry.... and with all of that, They only gave up 10 pts and caused a few turnovers but since we refused to open up the O (Shotty is the OC) our D was gassed. I have watched this game a few times. It's more than just saying the D let them control the clock. That sounds more like what a journalist who didn't see the game would write the next day.
It's a chiken or the egg type of situation, sure our O could have kept the ball keeping our D off the field but our D could have goteen some 3rd down stops and given the ball back to our O. The reason I place more of the blame on the D is b/c we had a ridiculously conservative gameplan expecting to win on D if we didn't turn it over. We won the TO battle and lost the game mainly b/c our D was awful on 3rd downs. No need to insult me b/c you do not undrestand this. My theory sounds like someone who knows the game, yours sounds like a typical fan who sees 10 pts allowed and thinks our D was great. I have never said our O was good, our O stunk but allowing an opposing offensive to hold it for 40 mins falls on the D who couldn't get off the field. baltimore converted the following: 3rd and 9 THREE times 3rd and 13 3rd and 28 3rd and 10 THREE times 3rd and 7
There's no doubt that the defense played poorly on 3rd downs, but that still doesn't excuse the offense for their terrible play. Had the offense played better then the 40 / 20 time split would have been much more balanced. We understand the game plan was conservative. However I'm sure the plan was to score more than 9 points and have a drive sustained longer than 5 plays or 3 minutes. The offense should have stayed on the field longer. It would have likely helped the defense. The Jets offense failed to convert on the following 3rd downs that could have extended drive and kept the defense off the field 3rd and 4 (3 times) 3rd and 3 3rd and 2 3rd and 5 - deep inside Baltimore territory If we convert half of those the TOP changes and quite possibly the outcome of the game. I understand that a 3rd & 5 is a little more difficult than a 3rd and 2 but we had just gotten the ball after a 3 and out and a good return by Leonhard to set up the offense at the Baltimore 35. The offense has to find a way to get the first down there and failed forcing a FG try rather than a go ahead TD.
I never said it excused the offense, i never said the offense wasn't terrible, the O helped us lose w/o a doubt but I blame the defense first b/c rex expected to play conservative and win on D and we could not w/ a major reason being all the 3rd and longs bal converted.
The offense was expected to put up more than 9 points no matter how conservative the game-plan was. The defense's job is to allow as few points as possible not yards or T.O.P. They allowed only 10 points which was enough to win 92.5% of the time in 2010. The 3rd down conversions did not lose the game for us, the offense's poor play did.
It's not just about points b/c when a team holds the ball for double the amount of time that we did that gives them more chances to score and us less chances to score and in a game against a good D where pts were tough to come by it made our O's job even more difficult. It's great the D only allowed 10 pts but that doesn't mean they played great.
I never said they played great. I have acknowledged that they did not play as well as the 10 points suggest. What I have said is that it wasn't the defense's fault we lost that game. The offense is the reason we lost. If the offense could mount any kind of drives the TOP wouldn't have been as lopsided also. I pointed out many 3rd downs where the offense could and should have converted that they didn't. The D's job was made even more difficult because the offense didn't hold onto the ball and when given the ball inside Baltimore territory they came away with FG's only and a fumble.
One huge reason we lost the Baltimore game was because of penalties. Baltimore was held to a FG attempt on one drive but because Braylon used another player to elevate when trying to block the kick gave the Ravens a 1st down where they eventually scored the only TD of the game. Sanchez made a great pass to Keller that got us inside the 10 but it was called back on a penalty that had nothing to do with the result of the play, more than likely taking points off the board. Another bad penalty was on a 3rd and like 20-25, we stopped them but there was a penalty on Baltimore so Rex decided to push them back another 10 yards instead of forcing a punt and the next play there was a cheap holding call on one of our DBs (possibly Revis) a 5 yard penalty that gave them an automatic 1st down. Then you have Kyle Wilson getting PI calls and what not, Cro as well which helped extend drives and take time off the clock. You can blame the offense or defense for that game, but IMO the main reason we lost that game was because the Jets played extremley undisciplined on both sides of the ball, leading to costly penalties.
I just want to point out that this was one of the most informed debates (Murrell, nycjunc) I have ever seen on this board. You both have opposite views, yet back up your stance admirably and it is actually interesting hearing the back and forth. Unfortunately once the season starts everyone will flood back and type "DEY SHOULD THROW IT DEEP MORE AND BLITZ ALL THE TIME ... IT WORKS IN MADDEN"
PaPZ: that is a good point. RMorin: Thank you. Murrell and I don't agree often but I enjoy having debates w/ him even though they never end:jets:
