Most of the posters on here want to dump Pennington for a fourth round pick... I think it was a good move. Coming back from his injury is a big question mark. He did not fit well in the 3-4 and he would have been gone in a year...good move
I don't think we could've gotten any better because of the injury & the fact that he's a FA next year. He could be a one year rental for the Saints if he walks. That's why it was really tough getting fair value for him.
He is more valuable, because he is the other ILB that we now need because he is gone. Barton is average at best, and not that we actually have a big NT what we always said we needed to get for Vilma to succeed, I feel that he would have had a great season that could have helped us on our way to the playoffs. Now we have left ourselves another hole we need to fill this offseason and really we recieved no compensation for it in terms of the helping the 08 season to succeed. And btw, how many 4th rounders turn into a Kerry Rhodes? the answer is not many. So the statistical probability is that a 4th rounder a year later, will likely not turn out to be solid value for Vilma.
I agree, Tannenbaum is the real deal but he should have gotten more for Vilma. IF Shaun Rogers commands a 3rd round pick, a guy with Vilma's ability and character (in spite of injury concerns) should command at least a 3rd round pick for 08, not 09. Tannenbaum should have done better. Tannenbaum had an awesome draft last year but I think he might be the type who needs to make mistakes before he gets it right. Example. 06- D'Brick, and then 07- Revis
Piling up draft picks for next year is good. If we're one player away we could trade up in the 1st round. I wish we got more but its better than nothing.
No, you get what the market offers. Vilma has a degenerative knee condition and is only just jogging at this point. This is like deja vu back to Sam Cowart. He was awesome his frist couple years than missed a year due to blowing out his achilles. We signed him with high hopes and he was average at best. Vilma's scenario is far more likely to follow that road than some return to greatness. The market spoke and the offer was a conditional 4th in 2009.
Just bacause the let Vilma seek a trade does not mean that we were obligated to take the best deal available. If we believed that the knee injury was a major concern for other teams and prevented us from receiving a fair offer (for a healthy Vilma) we would be within our rights to wait until the knee is healthy to make a decision about his future. Letting Vilma go might make us more attractive to potential free agents (if they see us as treating our players well) but we would haev been better off with Vilma as a backup than waiting until 2009 to get a fourth rounder. If the pick can become a first or second rounder based upon performance that the deal is reasonable, otherwise this trade was not in the best interest of our franchise.
If Vilma has a monster year and makes the pro bowl we get a 3rd round pick. to me a 3rd for a pro bowler is not enough
It was degenerative, which could mean several things but most likely he'll have no cartiledge in his knee when he's done playing. DRob has a similar condition. Good thing Bradway and crew did their homework on our 1st round picks!
I would rather have had Vilma play this year behind jenkins next to harris and maybe even Gholston and let him walk next year, get nothing for him... Than to let a team like the Saints heist us worse than we heisted the Bears for Thomas Jones last year.... I woulda rather have seen Vilma play for this Jets defense so I could root for him as the comeback player of the NFL... And let him walk for nothing, it would take the sour taste out of my mouth. a 4th rounder? U gotta be kidding me
I agree with you. The Jets should have thought outside the box and figured out a way to allow Vilma to become an above average player in the 3-4. It would have been real exciting to watch a linebacking core taht included Harris, Vilma, Gholston and Thomas, especially considering theyd be playing behind Jenkins and supported in the secondary by guys like Rhodes and Revis. Tannenbaum dropped the ball on Vilma. You dont sell low on guys who are 2 years removed from being a pro bowl player, in addition to being a team leader and a real big character guy.
Why would you want to force a player into a system? What if that fails? What if his Floating Chips in his Knee injury doesn't heal and he plays half a season and the walks for nothing? Then the consensus is "I cant believe those retards kept him and got nothing for him, we could have gotten at least a 3rd rounder" I love Vilma too, but he was the ultimate square peg for a round-holed system.
If they waited until next year several things might have happened: 1) Vilma would have walked. 2) If he didn't play because of the injury his value would have decreased. You are assuming his knee is going to get "healthy." 3) The FO obviously wouldn't give him an extension next year. So the only other choice is to franchise/transition tag him. Teams are only willing to give a conditional 4th now, you think they would give 2-1sts, or a 3rd and 5th next year? It would also mean we would be stuck paying a LBer with a bum knee top money. How would any of those scenarios be in the best interest of the franchise? This way we get something for him now, and got the best the market had to offer. You also have to remember Randy Moss was traded for a 4th rounder, and he had no injuries. If you distance yourself a bit from your fan biase, you will see this was a fair trade.
I'm not a huge fan of Vilma but it was clear after 06 he didn't fit the 3/4 and should have been moved at peak value. A 4 if he can't play is good a 3 if he plays well isn't. This guy had tremendous value as a 4/3 LB at the end of both 05 and 06. We have wasted some real bargaining chips with our rebuild. Inexperience is biting this team.
Now that is a good point and one I can buy completely, if anyone wants to make the argument that we waited too long to deal Vilma than I agree with that. But to say right now this is a terrible deal I cant buy. I'm pretty sure if there were better offers on the table Mike T would have taken the better offer. I think he got the best he possibly could with his knee still being a major concern. Most likely if he would have dealt him last offseason the value would have been better but he didnt and got the best he could get without losing him for nothing next year.
