I still can't figure out why people are dissing Cotchery so much in these discussions. He's caught 235 balls over the last 3 years with 3 different QB's making the throws and no consistent threat sitting opposite him over that span due to Coles numerous injuries. That's a damn good #2 and might well be a damn good #1 if the Jets ever manage to settle on a single QB and offensive system to run. He's going to be 27 this year and that's a year that tends to be a huge breakout season for receivers. Another way to look at Cotchery is that he's a faster, taller, less injury-prone version of Wayne Chrebet and Chrebet was a great receiver for a couple of seasons when the Jets needed him to be.
both of em would. and i didnt mean cemented number 2. i was using it in reference to the argument that the poster I quoted was inferring that Bowe and Cotchery are the same type of player therefore having them at 1 and 2 would be redundant. thats what the bulk of my post about was. i think i crudely tried to explain that when i said hed be behind cotchery. i meant to argue that they arent made in the same mold so whatever the combo was it would be an upgrade.
i havent read every post but i dont know why people would be dissin cotchery. i watched him at NCState and thought hed be starting for us his rookie year. i boasted about him forever to my friends and finally got a pat on the back when he was given the chance and has proven to be a very good WR capable of contributing to any offense.
how bout the Clown and a 2nd for Marshall.... maybe throw in a couple other picks if they wont take that, i feel draft picks are horribly over-rated, id rather have Brandon Marshall then any unproven first round rookie WR anyway.
You feel draft picks are highly over rated, yet offer only a 2nd round pick and a guy we picked up off the waiver in return for a beast like Brandon Marshall? That offer would only get a hang up as a response from Denver. Clowny looks to have potential, but has proven nothing at this point and offers no value to your proposed deal. You need to really rething that. We are not about to steal him from Denver nor is anyone else.
Pont value wise its no where near each other. Say the Jets finish a medoicre 8-8 and 16th in the draft. The first is worth 1000 and the 4th 112 for a total of 1,112 points on the chart. The Second 420 points and the third 190 for a total of 610 points. A second and third does not equal a first alone besides what other picks may be tossed in be it a 4th or 5th.
in that scenario (16th overall pick in the first round) doesnt every other pick in our draft, i.e. 2-7 add up to be just about the value of our first rounder? I dunno about you but I am inclined to think the Broncos if they had their choice of either our first round pick, or the rest of our draft, for Brandon Marshall my guess is they take the rest of our draft.... Either way there are other factors involved with Marshall that could force his value down if he becomes a big headache in Denver.... for those who have become enamored with marshall thanks to the highlight video, thats what you have to hope for, because i seriously doubt Tanny makes a blockbuster deal this late in the summer. Heck the favre trade wasnt really that blockbuster, it was really only worth a 3rd round pick for crying out loud.
Yes I only watched 1 preseason game on Bowe. Maybe he is as good as Marshall but for some obscure reason I don't think so. Marshall has swagger besides talent, all the good ones in this generation do. We will be hard pressed to find a Curtis Martin in this day and age, and if you look at Arizona they came up with talent and the little devalued thing called respect in Fitz,Bolden, etc . I would rather have someone take your head off especially in our division than a mother may I. Imperious Rex has moxy and has to in our division, look at the talent. The time is now to be that badass in the AFC East on both sides of the ball. If we got Marshall he will be # 1 WR no doubt about it. Not so sure if Bowe will be # 1 or # 2 because of Cotcherys ability also. Marshall is a # 1 WR. My arguement lies in if some one else in our division gets him, how the hell do we keep hoping that our secondary will overcome these odds within our own division week in and week out. That being said we still need to stack the deck reguardless by having a badass of our own. Having Marshall will give us a whole lot of options at the WR position than we have now. We can throw in many more combinations and you can allways count on # 1's. We do need him especially in the later weeks of the season. One playoff game and done suxs, one trick pony suxs.Unexpecteded players who come through win SuperBowls and championships in every sport having proven players allows that to happen.Giving up draft picks for proven players is a no brainer.
Next year's draft is extremely deep. Would I give up a #1 for Bowe? Probably not. Not saying he isn't worth a #1 but if were gonna give up a 1st rd pick for a WR we should swing for the fences and get the hands down best WR available and that would be Brandon Marshall. Is there risk with him being 1 stupid off field act of a 1 year suspension? Yes. Would he be a tremendous upgrade at WR? Absolutely. I think Bowe is good and can be a true #1 . He's better than Cotchery but not by leaps and bounds. Marshall is a top 10 maybe top 5 WR in the NFL. He turned 25 this past March he's entering his prime and is one helluva football player. After the catch he reminds me of Boldin/TO. In one game last year the dude grabbed 18 balls lol it's highly unlikely with next years 1st rd pick we can get a player of his skill set. I'd also give a up a 1st rd pick for Braylon Edwards. Sure he drops some passes but if he didn't he wouldn't be made available. It has more to do with his concentration than his actual hands I have seen him make some amazing catches. He's also much faster than Brandon Marshall and a better TD threat. He got 16 in one year that's a pretty decent accomplishment to say the least. Not only that but every year he's been in the NFL hes completely at least one 70 yard bomb a year meaning hes a pretty consistent deep threat we've been lacking since.......yeah lol I think it's worth it because Cotchery is very good but he's not a true #1. Doesn't get enough separation, has a poor size to speed ratio, disappears when facing top NFL CBs, isn't a TD threat at all and cannot take over game. He's a top 30 WR in the NFL he's an excellent #2 but this year is gonna be rough on him unless we throw the ball to him a million times and he becomes an inefficient volume WR who only gets numbers because of how many looks he gets. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
True, we can't give more big money to this guy before signing Leon... but Bowe isn't worth a first rounder... not at all.
Before last August I'd agree 100% that this is a pipe dream. But if we got Brett Favre, for better or worse, we can certainly acquire a player demanding a sign me or trade me scenario. Not only is Marshall at a position of need, but its been reported we are looking into upgrading our WR corps. How true is that? The only people who know is our front office. Certainly chances of us landing a big time WR is less than a 50/50 at the same time its not like were trying to trade for Tom Brady or fans just pulling a name out the hat for what if purposes. This isn't the 90's were pulling off player trades are few n far inbetween. Over the past 4-5 years, players are getting traded at a higher rate than ever before. Hopefully by this time next year we have added a potential or current big time WR via trade, FA or the 2010 draft.
In a way, every single WR in the league is a faster, taller, less injury-prone version of Chrebet. That's why being an effective WR in this league is about so much more than being tall and fast. That's why Chrebet was so solid, and why Cotch is so solid, and why D. Clowney will probably prove himself to be less than solid, no matter how fast he is. Knowledge of the game, of your QB, of your offense, the ability to stop and start and cut and break and use your hands and make double-moves and find the seam, the open area, reading the defense, etc., etc... all of these things are just as important as straight-ahead speed. But chicks sure do love the long ball. (sry, i know this thread isn't about clowney, but the man hasn't done anything except run straight down the field.)
Well add that to the fact that he hasn't done anything against 1st stringers, and I still don't see how the guy is challenging Stuckey for the #2 job.... yeah its great he can blow by 3rd stringers in a preseason game, but the guy hasnt even made a preseason grab against a first string defense yet.
SI.com's Peter King reiterated that "there's no way the Broncos will deal Brandon Marshall." King writes that there was "a weird pall hanging over" Broncos camp when he was there a week ago. The Josh McDaniels era got off on the wrong foot with McJaygate, and the Marshall situation figures to linger into the season. The Broncos won't pay him or get anywhere close to fair value even if they were open to a trade. Aug. 24 - 9:27 am et Source: SI.com I guess this means that he will be traded soon if this is coming from King. At least I hope so. I would send Leon and a pick over to them in a heartbeat for a number one receiver. Leon is not worth the 5 million a year anyway.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-9-213/Video--What-would-Jets-have-to-pay-for-Marshall-.html Not sure why they used the Jets' name in the title since they didn't mention them at all, but its the latest on Marshall.
they never even mentioned the jets at all in this video... not to mention what any team might have to give up for brandon marshall. i just wasted a minute and 19 seconds of my life
