Only sheep could think that an NFL GM is less likely to be clueless than random people posting on the internet. It's science.
I agree completely. The only caveat is that CJs market is really small. He doesn't have that many options above $4M per. So this is a situation that we could likely get him at a reasonable price.
I don't see the infatuation with CJ. He's going on 29 YEARS OLD lots of wear and tear, not explosive as he used to be. If you want a homerun threat in the backfield draft Tre Mason, Dri Archer, or DeAnthony Thomas. You'll have your homerun threat and it'll cost a lot less. That said I wouldn't be against it if the money/years are right. Love Powell, but he is neither a game breaker or a bull dozer. Just a nice assett to have if he has to fill in for an injured starter for a couple weeks. He does everything well but is not exceptional at anything. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
we have lots of holes to fill. why use a valuable high draft pick on a running back when we don't have to
True ... I feel you. But if Tre Mason falls into round 3 and he is high on their board ... Why not? Archer and Thomas are supposed to be late day 3 picks (I have no idea why, Thomas will be an impact player in his role) Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
I wouldnt call tre mason a homerun threat now dri archer can fly but is small and who was the last oregon rb to be successful in the NFL
Random thought... If we do sign a player, does that mean 31 other teams think we overpaid? That seems to be the rational of most. Want is not the only factor that drives FA pricing, need also play a huge part. We don't need a RB, so his value to us may not be as high as a team who does need one. We did need a WR, so we paid more than what other teams thought Decker was worth. If our want is more than other teams wants/ needs are, than we may get CJ, if not we may lose him.
The idea that CJ has a lot of wear-n-tear on his body is a bit deceiving. Fist off, he has no major injuries in his career. In fact he has only missed 1 game in 6 years. Secondly, he has 1742 carries. That's a lot, but not astronomical. For reference, Adrian Peterson had the same amount entering his 7th season. Contrary to popular belief, he hasn't declined 3 years in a row. In 2012 he posted a robust 4.5 ypg. I think we can all agree that he is not the CJ of 2009, but that doesn't mean he couldn't be a real asset to this team. He had a 8.2 ypr last year, more than McCoy had under MM.
Give CJ holes and he turns them into home runs. Vick and CJ in a read option type of scenario would lead to some ridiculous long gains. Then you have Ivory to beat the defense down when they are tired of chasing CJ. We want to run, and I want proven backs who can stay healthy to do that. Powell is fine, but he's just a replacement level player.
ding! ding! ding! and this is how you get value that can help your team as much as an over priced free agent.
While I can attest to the fact that I am also turning 29 and my body has felt the wear and tear of too many McDonald's runs, I don't see the downside here. Running backs are not valued all that much anymore league-wide, which means to get an elite talent at the position, it really doesn't cost a whole heck of a lot. If you're willing to spend $5M on a backup QB, I don't see the knock on getting a BETTER player at the RB position. Sure, he's probably lost a step (although personally, I think it has more to do with how awful that line in Tennessee was and watched him dance behind it way too often). However, I keep envisioning what he was with Lendale, and see a similar possibility here. A 60/40 split with Ivory gives us an extremely potent running attack if you can give CJ any kind of wiggle room. I think he improves this team a lot more than people realize.
Marty's offensive formations are pretty cool to observe. Can't wait to see a setup where he has Ivory and CJ in the backfield at the same time.
Also keep in mind that CJ has a history of durability while our "Bell Cow" does not. Hamstring problems are almost always going to recur throughout a season. If CJ is in the right situation he plays hard, there were some games last year when he ran hard and through people. The guy was frustrated as the best player on a perennial loser for multiple seasons. He saw a lot of coaching and player turnover around him and he made it clear that he was not happy about it. Add the fact that the team was trying to split his carries with guys like Jackie Battle, who makes Bilal Powell look like Arian Foster and you can see why CJ would be disgruntled. I watched some of their games as a CJ fantasy owner and I will say that Dowell Loggains is not a very good play caller (he's looking for a job) and that their run blocking was below average at best.
no it doesn't, because just because we sign a player doesn't mean the other teams were in need of him and were hoping to sign him but only for less. that is not the rationale of most that is being discussed. the rationale is looking at it based on what the Jets actually did and what that would mean if they did differently. if the Jets do not sign a player, it either means they did not want him, he did not want to play for the Jets, or the Jets did want him but not at that amount he signed for elsewhere (or higher if they had to bid against against it). just considering the last premise, that they wanted him just not for the amount he signed for elsewhere, the argument from fans that the Jets should have signed such a player to an amount that they inherently did not value him at (and assuming he would have signed with the Jets) means the fan believes the Jets should have paid more for him than the Jets valuation, not that the player actually would have been over paid based on previous production or any other team's opinion of his value. there are two different arguments entirely. whether the team wants to pay that player an amount, and spending more would be paying more than they want to (thus over paying), and whether the player's performance actually is worth an amount.
For everyone who thinks he is over the hill... Heading into year 7 Curtis Martin avg'd 3.8 a carry and came back with 3 years of 4.5/1513 4.2/1094 4.1/1308 Not to mention he has far less carries as Martin had coming into year 7, (1742) as opposed to 2010.
Generally, the more games you play, the more wear and tear on your body. The fact that he hasn't missed games means he's taken more of a beating than other RBs his age who haven't played as much. The thing about RBs approaching age 29 or so is that you never know when they're gonna completely fall off a cliff. Take Shaun Alexander by comparison, for example. The numbers are eerily similar. He didn't miss a single game between 2000, his rookie year, and 2005, his best year. Entering 2006 -- his age-29 season just like CJ right now -- he had racked up 1717 total carries. In that 2006 season, he missed the first 6 games of his career and his YPC fell (precipitously) from 5.1 to 3.6. (In 2007 he missed another 3 games and his YPC hovered at 3.5. By 2008 his career was over.) Betting on a "bounce back" year from a guy who's gonna be 29 this year who's already showed signs of decline (and sinking 3 or 4 M+ per maybe over the next 1 to 2 years to do so) seems foolish to me. Nevermind that the guy doesn't have the work ethic of a Curtis Martin or LaDainian Tomlinson which might help mitigate or forestall any natural decline in physical ability. We should be able to find a quality RB with upside in the draft in the 3rd or 4th round.
Yeah, that is one of the reasons I'd like to see the Jets sign him. If they sign CJ, and end up starting Vick, and pick up a speedster WR in the draft then Marty Morningwood will have a few "home run" hitters to play around with on offense which is something that was lacking last year. Mike Vick and CJ2K have both run 4.2 40 yard dashes....Vick probably still could. http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2013/05/michael_vick_beats_lesean_mcco.html
Everything in NFL contract negotiations is about leverage. When your team is not devoid of talent in so many places, and you have only 1 or 2 places needed to be upgraded, you generally would rather sign a guy to come and start if there is one available. You don't want to have to go into the draft and reach for a player just to fill a whole, especially when you're picking later in the draft (as the better, more complete teams often do). A player's value to a team can change based on a number of factors. The problem with Tannenabaum is he clearly became a buddy to Rex Ryan and a yes man. Sure, he could work the cap around and make things happen, but too often he brought in a guy just because Ryan wanted him. As good of a coach as Ryan is, he is an X's and O's guy, a great motivator, and a fantastic game planner. He is not the "renaissance man" style coach like Bilichick or Pete Carroll, so Tannenbaum signing whoever Rex wanted was irresponsible. A perfect example, Even wit Revis (being paid a back loaded $8 million per year) and first round draft pick Kyle Wilson ($2.6 million per year) on the team, Tannenbaum went after Naamdi, and failed, and panicked and signed Cro to a back loaded $8 million per year contract. We had 3 big investments at CB all on the team for at least the next 3 years, and two with very high cap hits for the last couple years of their deals. Throw in the move to bring in Tebow, the biggest distraction to an NFL locker room in recent memory, combined with the unnecessary contract extension to Sanchez meant Tanny was out. Although 8 million dollars a year for Cro isn't a bad price, we had the leverage of not needing an corner of that caliber, but Tanny didn't take advantage of it. The great thing about Idzik is he never surrenders leverage. That's not necessarily true. Good negotiators convince a player to come to their team for reasons other than pure money if they can. Rex Ryan is a great draw actually, it is widely known that he is a favorite around the league to play for. There are many other reasons too, NY is a great city, and we have fantastic facilities. Each team has different draws, and it is a negotiator's job to sell their team. Not every player can be swayed, however. Revis is a good example of someone who didn't care where he played, as long as he could get his.
