Jets look for answers on "D"- Daily News

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  1. Serphnx

    Serphnx New Member

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    lol but that's not what happened. Once we came out of the gate strong, we just abandoned our gameplan and played scared, and tried to give the game away.

    You and me are never gonna agree on the coaching. There is such a thing as different people preferring different coaching philosophies, you can't just say someone is wrong if they prefer another style. I prefer aggression because I think it works, you prefer conservative play because you think it is safe. There are examples of both styles succeeding, so you can not say for sure that something is "wrong" or would happen one way just because it happened like that in the past.

    Anyway, go Jets.
     
  2. JetsLookingforDWare

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    We creep, they go deep.

    Creeping up would have been playing right into their hands. They threw one deep ball to Moss all game, but that doens't mean they wouldn't have done more if we let our safeties creep up. Thats the kind of stuff Randy Moss allows.

    Too bad for them he doesn't want to go over the middle cause he's bitch made. That might have helped open things up.
     
  3. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with the defensive play calling - Pats have adjusted very well, to take out Jenkins. They must have realized they just have absolutely no shot whatsoever with Jenkins commanding the middle of the line.

    It's what it is, and I have no problem with the result - you can't complain after a win after all - just I would have liked to see the Jets grind them out again. If Jets could grind them to another 10+ play drives that ended with another TD, that game would have been wrapped up at that moment.
     
  4. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I'd rather have him try to go deep with Revis on Moss and have Rhodes attack every now and then. Keep Cassel underneath is fine, but I would've enjoyed a safety blitz this time. I usually don't like the call minus the Elam one, but once, just to test the waters would have been nice.
     
  5. HardHitta

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    Our weakness on D is pass coverage. Outside of Revis and Rhode's where not that great. Still i think we should of hit cassell in the mouth more with Blitzes. There known as "Blitz-Beaters" but i dont think with Matt Cassell maybe Brady. We gave him time to throw and he lit us up and cassell ran wild.
     
  6. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    I disagree.

    Our secondary is pretty damn good, but any secondary would look like shit when the QB has all day to throw the ball.

    The problem is with the lack of blitzing and overall pressure. And please don't bother with the top 5 in the league in sacks argument, that is more of a tribute to the excellent job our players are doing then the scheme in which they are doing it in.

    The Jets still too often drop back into a form of the prevent defense, especially on third down when they should be applying a fierce pass rush and forcing the opposing QB to get rid of it and potentially make a mistake.
     
  7. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    The 3-man rush on 3rd down needs to be abolished. It clearly doesn't work. If you have all day to sit in the pocket eventually someone will get open...
     
  8. Jet Blue

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    I still say, at the end of the half and the entire 3rd quarter..

    IF THE OFFENSE DOES A DAMN THING...... The Jet defense gets rest and is able to cover better as well as blitz more...

    Easy to lay the blame at the defense but, someone look up the time of possesion and the time the defense was hung out to dry by the offense in the 3rd qtr.

    And for those saying we played too conservative - actually they could have run it a lot more - especially to close out the half.


    Jets forced Caseel to beat them (which is EXACTLY what you want)... Problem was Cassel played an incredible career defining game - That pass to Moss was one of the best passes you will ever see...

    It's like in baseball when you send the runner - Why, cuz it will take the most incredible of clean plays and strike's of a throw to nail the guy - Well Cassell made that play... The pressure was on - The coverage was good, he scrambled and made the most incredible of incredible plays.....

    All this in the context of an entire game and people get all whacky trying to analyze numbers...

    Just enjoy the Win and hopedully next week we can bitch about how we just took down undefeated Tennessee...

    Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
     
  9. Jet Blue

    Jet Blue New Member

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    IT WORKED!!!!


    WE WON!!!!!


    If Moss and Welker are left to raom free and they beat you with a 80 yard lightening quick strike, YOU still bitch....

    Choose your poison - The other team gets paid too.. WE WON!!!!!
     
  10. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    It didn't work. We were lucky to have won the coin toss.

    I'm happy as hell we won, and enjoying the win, but to say the defensive strategy we used worked because we won is oversimplifying things.
     
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  11. VickBlows

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    Our weakness is our coaching staff – they are completely inept. And I see allot of “we took moss our of the game” claims; the only person that took Moss out of the game was Cassel and is inability to throw a long ball. Moss had us beat a few times and Cassel flubbed the throw.
     
  12. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    It's funny because we also took Moss out of the game in Week 2, but we still lost. He's not their team.

    Here's what I don't get: people like DWare say if we blitz, we'll get burned (although we blitzed in the 1st half and didn't surrender many points). However, in the 2nd half, we didn't blitz and STILL got picked apart and almost blew the game. So, if the opposing O is going to score either way - meaning blitz or don't blitz and they still score, which they did - then why wouldn't you blitz more than 5 times and pressure Cassel into a mistake?
     
  13. Serphnx

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    If we can't stop that without a prevent defense, we do deserve to lose.
     
  14. Jet Blue

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    No.

    It worked because at the end you played the odds and they decided that Yes, with a few seconds left, we will leave it up to Cassel to make the most incredible of incredible plays to tie and if they tie was STILL have a shot...

    Cassel made that incredible throw and Moss made the catch....

    INCREDIBLE - AGAINST THE ODDS... Congrats Matt Cassel, you just became a rich man.
     
  15. Jet Blue

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    Again, the offense in the 3rd needed to eat "SOME" clock here
     
  16. Big Blocker

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    I'm not saying I disagree with those who criticize the CS, but

    I used to think NE had a very good OL, until they got chewed up in the SB last year. Which made me think they were no longer good.

    Well, they had a bad game in the SB, but they look pretty good to me. The four man rush was putting very little pressure on Cassel, and they didn't constantly double team Jenkins and still fail to take him out of the game as the Rams did. Their OL played a good game. They have five good skill players on O who present coverage problems on passing downs.

    Now that doesn't mean the Jets should not have blitzed more - maybe mixing it up was the thing to do when NE was succeeding in protecting the Qb with the standard rush. But it is problematic whether that would really have succeeded against NE, and I do agree with those who have pionted out the Jet O could not hold onto the ball in the third quarter, and this led to the D getting tired.
     
  17. JetsLookingforDWare

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    What?

    No. I just don't see the fire you guys see. Thats pretty much where I "go wrong" to many on this board.

    I'm wait and see cause I don't feel like pretending I know enough to really criticize guys who don't have the luxury of being able to second guess. All I can do is trust them to do their job, players and coaches, and both have done their jobs very well this year.

    I honestly think most people complain because they have no idea what to expect, BUT they "know" that they do expect something perfect or close to it. That doesn't just show up. At least IMO.
     
  18. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I didn't realize hitting Randy moss from 15 yards away while in SINGLE coverage against a guy that hadn't been in football for the past 10 months was against all odds. The last play of the game was the worst defensive call of all of them. Going into prevent was silly given the fact that we hadn't given up a big play with the D we were in all game.

    It didn't work, or they wouldn't have scored to tie the game. WTF?

    Playing prevent GAVE them the yardage necessary to make that final play.
     
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  19. TheCoolerGlennFoley

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    I'd love to see a YAC stat for New England for this game and for games the rest of this season. I feel like we kept the plays in front of us and didn't allow a big passing play, hoping Cassel would make a mistake. He didn't and they came back.

    I think Jet fans are just not used to winning. We are not a mediocre team that was lucky to pull out a win. We are a good team that still actually won the game that we were suppossed to. It isn't always as pretty as against the Rams.
     
  20. JetsLookingforDWare

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    I said nothing about not blitzing...but OK.

    I actually think they should have blitzed given Cassell's relative youth and experience. But the Pats are excellent at beating the blitz and Cassell has had 3 years under BB and Brady to learn to not be a bitch. I see no reason to take that out of the equation like so many have.

    Fact is, the Pats are a tough team to beat. Even in the Super Bowl they only lost by 3 points, and that took a couple of miracle plays too. I don't see any reason why we should be able to slaughter them right now, or any reason to hold a 3 point victory on the road against a division opponent AGAINST the coaching staff.

    Thats just not how football works.

    For those who think we can't make adjustments, but can break down game tape...how does a real strength to plan from what you've seen on tape hurt you? Wouldn't that...create adjustments?And isn't the ability to make in-game adjustments a matter of experience rather than intelligence when you think about it? Am I just fucking crazy and I should start complaining before I go over the deep end?

    This is the regular season. I'd rather we make these stupid mistakes now rather than later. This coaching staff has done nothing but take in what they've learned...notice how the offense went from the major complaint to a strength...how the run D went from a minus to a plus...how we've matched and passed last years sack total already...how players enjoy playing for these guys...how despite their stupidity we're 7-3...how we have a kickass, game changing QB because of the work they put in to get him...that shit matters to me more than little mistakes in games we didn't even lose.
     
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